I Sold A Fake Kobe Bryant GU Jersey

[trsent]

Re: I Sold A Fake Kobe Bryant GU Jersey

In best trsent voice...

You can't just call your mother-in-law a liar on this board without presenting evidence to support your claims.

Admins, please tell me why helmets is allowed to continue posting after this unprovoked attack on his mother in law.

Isn't it possible that your mother-in-law was the person in Vegas who bought the shirt? And maybe it's a Xmas gift for you. So you, my friend, might be knee deep in this scandal without even knowing it.

Gotta run. My inbox is filling up with emails stating that my posts are the most refreshing on the board. Really.

Greg Faragher, if you are going to make fun of me, for something so stupid, make it funny like you usually do.

I was going to chime in with a few questions-observations:

- Joseph Mayo, what is the jersey originally good and now it is no good? I cannot figure out why the jersey was bought game used, sold to a guy on the street and then determined it was not game used. I think a story needs to be told what makes this jersey not game used.

- Also, Joseph, did you just happen to have the Lampson LOA with you when the guy in The Bellagio bought it from you? If you didn't, why wouldn't you have taken his name and address and mailed it to him?

- $1300 walking around The Bellagio in cash? You guys question some really stupid stuff. As a poker player in Las Vegas for six years, I used to carry 1-3 $5000 Bellagio chips in my pockets at all times as they were just as good as cash. In fact, once at The Commerce Casino in California I ran out of cash and I had no problem cashing one of these chips there with another player. In other words, cash or Bellagio chips are abundant anywhere in Las Vegas - Especially at The Bellagio.

- Finally, folks on here complain when someone buys a game used jersey then wears it. If someone owns an item, they have a right to wear it. I personally only wear my Malik Sealy Timberwolves warm-up shit, that I have worn for years and years and it is almost falling apart, but I wore this more than most any other piece of clothing I own. It was a lower end piece, but really, we are not to judge who wears a $50, $500, $1000, $5000 item they buy or own. I know most of us wouldn't do it ourselves.

[kingjammy24]

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"why cant he wear it??? its 1,000 bucks, u drive a 25,000 car and leave it on the street? whats the big deal, oh maybe he will be walking down the street and a can of paint will fall on him??? and if u really think the player was the last person to wear the jersey than u better get a grip... just put these jerseys in a showcase and stare at a thousand dollars of cloth."

the problem is that when reselling the jersey, the buyer can no longer ascertain the amount of legit game use. this would affect the price and desirability. many collectors have no interest in lightly-worn shirts. if a person bought a very lightly worn jersey, wore it years, added considerable wash wear to it, and then resold it, then the buyers would think that the shirt was heavily worn when it wasn't. it's almost like unconscious doctoring. you can no longer discern legit game wear from wear accumulated from sitting on the sofa and that is an issue to collectors. cars aren't sold with significant premiums attached to their wear. you're not going to pay a lot more for a car because it's got tons of dents and dings and over 100k miles on it. look at the recent jim brown shirt. the entire issue with it was the LACK of wear. imagine if some schmuck had worn it around town for a few years and put a few snags and tears in it. it'd easily add thousands dollars to the final price and the buyer would think brown had worn it a lot.

"..just put these jerseys in a showcase and stare at a thousand dollars of cloth"

yeah i thought the same thing when i visited a museum recently and saw some 1200 yr old etruscan plates and cups. i thought why not bust those plates out and have some lunch on them? one of the bowls looked like it could hold a 20-pc KFC bucket. pour a little Sprite in those cups. let's all do our part to destroy a little history so the next generation can't enjoy it. what a waste to put them all in a showcase and stare at priceless pieces of clay. we could all be having a picnic with them.

rudy.

[dcrules01]

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Joel I agree but I think there is a difference if you paid say $200 for a Gamer to wear and say $1500..Rudy also had some good points about wearing a Gamer over the course of time that had no wear on it and then wearing say a Football Gamer that was worn for 1 game sells for $200 the owner wears it every weekend for tackle football over the course of a football season then washes it but it has dirt stains grass stains rips snags his wife breaks out the sewing machine to sew up some tears...And then he resells it as a Gamer...Im sure a dirty gamer gets more attention than a clean one.We all love dirt

[DoctorLoomis]

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Wow...you guys have really chopped me up on here! I will do my best...even though I have nothing to prove to any of you....to answer all your questions.

First of all I like to wear my gamers. I have owned 2 Manning gamers in the past...and now own another one...and I wore them often. I was wearing one in Caesars Palace during the Super Bowl two years ago.

In response to Trsent..I know exactly what you mean. I am a professional poker player. I am in Bellagio 50-60 hrs a week. Having 5 dimes in my pocket at any given time is status quo. Furthermore, meeting someone who has 5K in their pocket is also commonplace.

I had the LOA with me...in my car actually. I took it with me for the exact purpose of being able to produce it in case someone wanted to buy the jersey. Obviously you guys arent underdstanding that Las Vegas is THE place to showcase an item such as a Kobe gamer if you are looking to sell it. If I were walking down the street in Omaha, Nebraska it would be a different story.

For those of you that believe my story is made up, I could care less. To me wearing a gamer is fun. I enjoy showing the nice game jerseys that I have and it makes great conversation at the poker table.

Finally...someone asked how it went from game used to then non game used. The answer is.....I found an EXPERT on LA Lakers GU equipment. We spoke on the phone a couple of times. He informed me that Bryant did NOT...ever...at any time...wear a size 50 jersey in the year specified on my supposed gamer. Getty images further validated his claim. If my memory serves me correctly he wore a 56.

So theres the story....100% true. As the famous Jack Palance used to say...."believe it....or not".

[34swtns]

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What is it with trsent always posting people's full names on the board every time he replies to a post where his name is mentioned?

Is that meant to intimidate or show how web-savvy you are that you can derive someone's actual name from what they've posted.

Let me say that I'm not impressed and I doubt that anyone is intimidated.
Stop doing it. You are only elevating your image on this board as that of a paranoid hothead.

Dude, get over yourself.

Richard L. Moore
(saved you the time, there)

[flaco1801]

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rudy.. my definition of a collector must differ from yours... i believe a collector never sells, maybe trades but never sells.... yeah a person looking to sell later on with the intention of making money wont wear the shirts.... and to address the comparison of antiques to gamers is simply ludicrious. first of all,the gamers today are so plentiful u can hardly call they rarities, i wonder how valuable they will eventually be considering the amount that is thrust upon the "industry". tho i enjoy your posts, i think you are a bit jaded on this one. jeff

[both-teams-played-hard]

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What is it with trsent always posting people's full names on the board every time he replies to a post where his name is mentioned?

Is that meant to intimidate or show how web-savvy you are that you can derive someone's actual name from what they've posted.

Let me say that I'm not impressed and I doubt that anyone is intimidated.
Stop doing it. You are only elevating your image on this board as that of a paranoid hothead.

Dude, get over yourself.

Richard L. Moore
(saved you the time, there)

Richard L. Moore,
You must understand that Joel Alpert wants everyone including, but not limited to, Greg Faragher and Joseph Mayo to be held accountable. I, Warren Humphrey, appreciate transparency on the forum. I am sure that Eric Stangel, wanted this also when he started this forum. If you have any other questions, just e-mail Chris Cavalier or Rob Steinmetz. Also, I haven't seen any posts from Howard Wolf, lately. How does Joel Alpert research these last names or remember them for that matter? And by the way, Greg Faragher's post about mother-in-laws was gold.

[ndevlin]

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just put these jerseys in a showcase and stare at a thousand dollars of cloth.[/quote]


If you're calling a jersey a piece of cloth, you're in the wrong hobby/business.

[DoctorLoomis]

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Guys you must remmeber I dont own any "classic" nor vintage gamers. All my gamers are within 10 years. Wearing a Manning gamer to play poker in the Bellagio isnt going to hurt that shirt one iota. It was built to withstand the pounding of an NFL game. I also bought the Kobe shirt to make a profile which I did. Wearing it in Vegas was my way of marketing it...and it worked.

6 years ago I owned Mannings Citrus Bowl jersey from his days at Tennessee. It was amazing! I wore it in Bellagio also....and was offered 2500 cash for it. I later sold it for more than that...but the point is wearing it in Vegas is the best marketing I can think of.

[kingjammy24]

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"rudy.. my definition of a collector must differ from yours... i believe a collector never sells, maybe trades but never sells...."

selling or trading, the problems still exist. you don't know whether the wear came from game use or from some guy rolling around with his kids and it does matter on many levels. the jersey was altered from its original state. if a player, for example, only played a couple of games and the jersey appropriately shows light use and after a couple of years it shows heavy use, it doesn't make sense anymore.

"Guys you must remmeber I dont own any "classic" nor vintage gamers."

a 1962 jim brown shirt wasn't classic or vintage in 1963. it only becomes classic in retrospect. imagine if all the folks in the 50s and 60s had the same mindset. "why bother saving these things..they aren't from the 20s". we'd all be looking at mantle and dimaggio shirts with pizza stains on them. i'd say jerseys from 2 of the best players in their respective leagues and surefire HOFers qualify as "future classics". there are far fewer legit manning and bryant gamers than some may think out there. in 2040, those shirts will be considered classic pieces.

"Wearing a Manning gamer to play poker in the Bellagio isnt going to hurt that shirt one iota."

said right before someone spills their shrimp cocktail all over it. it's not even about stains. it's about additional wash wear that many collectors use to determine how much the jersey was used by that player. this factors into their purchasing decisions. a year or so ago i saw a 1991 devon white road jersey on ebay. everything about it was perfect except it showed no wear at all. normally i'd be all over such a shirt but i lost all interest because of the complete lack of wear. now lets say the seller wears it for 3 yrs, the tagging starts to pucker, the numbers pucker, the cloth gets soft. wow now it has wear. if i saw it with lots of wear i'd definitely be very interested. i buy it and be happy because i've got a great devon white gamer. then the seller says "oh yeah, i wore it around town for a few years. that's how i market my jerseys. i add fake wear to them". i wouldn't be a happy camper and neither would most.

anyway, i figure that many of the big auction houses probably know a thing or two about marketing game-used items and getting top dollar for them. i've yet to see richie russek or doug allen or rob lifson trotting around the MGM wearing a 1991 montana shirt.

"I also bought the Kobe shirt to make a profile which I did. Wearing it in Vegas was my way of marketing it...and it worked."

and putting it in an auction or ebay wouldn't have worked? would you really have had any trouble unloading a legit manning gamer any other way?

rudy.

[34swtns]

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Richard L. Moore,
You must understand that Joel Alpert wants everyone including, but not limited to, Greg Faragher and Joseph Mayo to be held accountable. I, Warren Humphrey, appreciate transparency on the forum. I am sure that Eric Stangel, wanted this also when he started this forum. If you have any other questions, just e-mail Chris Cavalier or Rob Steinmetz. Also, I haven't seen any posts from Howard Wolf, lately. How does Joel Alpert research these last names or remember them for that matter? And by the way, Greg Faragher's post about mother-in-laws was gold.

Thank you, Warren Humphrey, for clearing that up. I, Richard L. Moore, appreciate your contribution in regards to Joel Alpert's possible motive for printing every forum member's full name in his replies.
And I concur, Greg Faragher's posts are often highly amusing.
Regards,
Richard L. Moore

[DoctorLoomis]

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Rudy...you are quite an opinionated man arent you? Not only opinionated, but somewhat judgemental and condescending as well. I had the guts to post in a public forum that I was fooled on a Kobe Bryant GU jersey. Im sure most wouldnt admit such an egregious error. I did. Furthermore, with all due respect, I paid my hard earned money for all my GU jerseys. My money..not yours Rudy. I shall do what I please with them. Its just that simple.

[bubbrubb25]

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Rudy...you are quite an opinionated man arent you? Not only opinionated, but somewhat judgemental and condescending as well. I had the guts to post in a public forum that I was fooled on a Kobe Bryant GU jersey. Im sure most wouldnt admit such an egregious error. I did. Furthermore, with all due respect, I paid my hard earned money for all my GU jerseys. My money..not yours Rudy. I shall do what I please with them. Its just that simple.

Well personally no matter how bad I wanted a gamer if you wore it around in vegas I most likely not want it anymore. So that being said when you sell your jerseys you should state in the description that you wore them, because as another form member told you we look for use on jerseys and you wearing it around in vegas and washing it is adding alot of use to it.

[Jags Fan Dan]

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- $1300 walking around The Bellagio in cash? You guys question some really stupid stuff. As a poker player in Las Vegas for six years, I used to carry 1-3 $5000 Bellagio chips in my pockets at all times as they were just as good as cash. In fact, once at The Commerce Casino in California I ran out of cash and I had no problem cashing one of these chips there with another player. In other words, cash or Bellagio chips are abundant anywhere in Las Vegas - Especially at The Bellagio.

Joel,

I have to assume you are referring to my post in this part of your reply, and I have to ask that you re-read it. I never made any remark that questioned if somebody would have that kind of money on them. I merely pointed out that if they did, they must have enough money to not really mind if the jersey turned out to be less than a real gamer.

[trsent]

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What is it with trsent always posting people's full names on the board every time he replies to a post where his name is mentioned?

Is that meant to intimidate or show how web-savvy you are that you can derive someone's actual name from what they've posted.

Let me say that I'm not impressed and I doubt that anyone is intimidated.
Stop doing it. You are only elevating your image on this board as that of a paranoid hothead.

Dude, get over yourself.

Richard L. Moore
(saved you the time, there)

Richard, people who do not sign their posts with a name I will reply with their full name. People on here do not like to sign their posts, and why? If you do not like my posts, there is a feature to block my posts but do not get on my back since I like to respond to people personally so they know I am directing my reply to them personally.

I personally do not like the policy of this forum that we have to look up user's names and they do not have to sign every post with a name and email address, but this is not my forum. If you do not like how I post - BLOCK MY POSTS - There is a feature to do this.

Finally DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO - YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, MY WIFE, MY STEP-MOTHER OR MY OWN, PERSONAL JESUS. I hate people who tell me what to or not to do. Block me but telling me how to post because you do not want people's names posted is your own choice - Start your own forum but don't get on my case because you like people to live with no names posted to their claims.

Sounds like the whining of a Chicago Bears Fan.

Joel,

I have to assume you are referring to my post in this part of your reply, and I have to ask that you re-read it. I never made any remark that questioned if somebody would have that kind of money on them. I merely pointed out that if they did, they must have enough money to not really mind if the jersey turned out to be less than a real gamer.

Dan, sorry if I misunderstood your post - I think it was several posts I was replying to, but no issues here - Your point is well taken and makes sense.