I Sold A Fake Kobe Bryant GU Jersey

[flaco1801]

rudy.. my definition of a collector must differ from yours... i believe a collector never sells, maybe trades but never sells.... yeah a person looking to sell later on with the intention of making money wont wear the shirts.... and to address the comparison of antiques to gamers is simply ludicrious. first of all,the gamers today are so plentiful u can hardly call they rarities, i wonder how valuable they will eventually be considering the amount that is thrust upon the "industry". tho i enjoy your posts, i think you are a bit jaded on this one. jeff

[both-teams-played-hard]

What is it with trsent always posting people's full names on the board every time he replies to a post where his name is mentioned?

Is that meant to intimidate or show how web-savvy you are that you can derive someone's actual name from what they've posted.

Let me say that I'm not impressed and I doubt that anyone is intimidated.
Stop doing it. You are only elevating your image on this board as that of a paranoid hothead.

Dude, get over yourself.

Richard L. Moore
(saved you the time, there)

Richard L. Moore,
You must understand that Joel Alpert wants everyone including, but not limited to, Greg Faragher and Joseph Mayo to be held accountable. I, Warren Humphrey, appreciate transparency on the forum. I am sure that Eric Stangel, wanted this also when he started this forum. If you have any other questions, just e-mail Chris Cavalier or Rob Steinmetz. Also, I haven't seen any posts from Howard Wolf, lately. How does Joel Alpert research these last names or remember them for that matter? And by the way, Greg Faragher's post about mother-in-laws was gold.

[ndevlin]

just put these jerseys in a showcase and stare at a thousand dollars of cloth.[/quote]


If you're calling a jersey a piece of cloth, you're in the wrong hobby/business.

[DoctorLoomis]

Guys you must remmeber I dont own any "classic" nor vintage gamers. All my gamers are within 10 years. Wearing a Manning gamer to play poker in the Bellagio isnt going to hurt that shirt one iota. It was built to withstand the pounding of an NFL game. I also bought the Kobe shirt to make a profile which I did. Wearing it in Vegas was my way of marketing it...and it worked.

6 years ago I owned Mannings Citrus Bowl jersey from his days at Tennessee. It was amazing! I wore it in Bellagio also....and was offered 2500 cash for it. I later sold it for more than that...but the point is wearing it in Vegas is the best marketing I can think of.

[kingjammy24]

"rudy.. my definition of a collector must differ from yours... i believe a collector never sells, maybe trades but never sells...."

selling or trading, the problems still exist. you don't know whether the wear came from game use or from some guy rolling around with his kids and it does matter on many levels. the jersey was altered from its original state. if a player, for example, only played a couple of games and the jersey appropriately shows light use and after a couple of years it shows heavy use, it doesn't make sense anymore.

"Guys you must remmeber I dont own any "classic" nor vintage gamers."

a 1962 jim brown shirt wasn't classic or vintage in 1963. it only becomes classic in retrospect. imagine if all the folks in the 50s and 60s had the same mindset. "why bother saving these things..they aren't from the 20s". we'd all be looking at mantle and dimaggio shirts with pizza stains on them. i'd say jerseys from 2 of the best players in their respective leagues and surefire HOFers qualify as "future classics". there are far fewer legit manning and bryant gamers than some may think out there. in 2040, those shirts will be considered classic pieces.

"Wearing a Manning gamer to play poker in the Bellagio isnt going to hurt that shirt one iota."

said right before someone spills their shrimp cocktail all over it. it's not even about stains. it's about additional wash wear that many collectors use to determine how much the jersey was used by that player. this factors into their purchasing decisions. a year or so ago i saw a 1991 devon white road jersey on ebay. everything about it was perfect except it showed no wear at all. normally i'd be all over such a shirt but i lost all interest because of the complete lack of wear. now lets say the seller wears it for 3 yrs, the tagging starts to pucker, the numbers pucker, the cloth gets soft. wow now it has wear. if i saw it with lots of wear i'd definitely be very interested. i buy it and be happy because i've got a great devon white gamer. then the seller says "oh yeah, i wore it around town for a few years. that's how i market my jerseys. i add fake wear to them". i wouldn't be a happy camper and neither would most.

anyway, i figure that many of the big auction houses probably know a thing or two about marketing game-used items and getting top dollar for them. i've yet to see richie russek or doug allen or rob lifson trotting around the MGM wearing a 1991 montana shirt.

"I also bought the Kobe shirt to make a profile which I did. Wearing it in Vegas was my way of marketing it...and it worked."

and putting it in an auction or ebay wouldn't have worked? would you really have had any trouble unloading a legit manning gamer any other way?

rudy.

[34swtns]

Richard L. Moore,
You must understand that Joel Alpert wants everyone including, but not limited to, Greg Faragher and Joseph Mayo to be held accountable. I, Warren Humphrey, appreciate transparency on the forum. I am sure that Eric Stangel, wanted this also when he started this forum. If you have any other questions, just e-mail Chris Cavalier or Rob Steinmetz. Also, I haven't seen any posts from Howard Wolf, lately. How does Joel Alpert research these last names or remember them for that matter? And by the way, Greg Faragher's post about mother-in-laws was gold.

Thank you, Warren Humphrey, for clearing that up. I, Richard L. Moore, appreciate your contribution in regards to Joel Alpert's possible motive for printing every forum member's full name in his replies.
And I concur, Greg Faragher's posts are often highly amusing.
Regards,
Richard L. Moore

[DoctorLoomis]

Rudy...you are quite an opinionated man arent you? Not only opinionated, but somewhat judgemental and condescending as well. I had the guts to post in a public forum that I was fooled on a Kobe Bryant GU jersey. Im sure most wouldnt admit such an egregious error. I did. Furthermore, with all due respect, I paid my hard earned money for all my GU jerseys. My money..not yours Rudy. I shall do what I please with them. Its just that simple.

[bubbrubb25]

Rudy...you are quite an opinionated man arent you? Not only opinionated, but somewhat judgemental and condescending as well. I had the guts to post in a public forum that I was fooled on a Kobe Bryant GU jersey. Im sure most wouldnt admit such an egregious error. I did. Furthermore, with all due respect, I paid my hard earned money for all my GU jerseys. My money..not yours Rudy. I shall do what I please with them. Its just that simple.

Well personally no matter how bad I wanted a gamer if you wore it around in vegas I most likely not want it anymore. So that being said when you sell your jerseys you should state in the description that you wore them, because as another form member told you we look for use on jerseys and you wearing it around in vegas and washing it is adding alot of use to it.

[Jags Fan Dan]

- $1300 walking around The Bellagio in cash? You guys question some really stupid stuff. As a poker player in Las Vegas for six years, I used to carry 1-3 $5000 Bellagio chips in my pockets at all times as they were just as good as cash. In fact, once at The Commerce Casino in California I ran out of cash and I had no problem cashing one of these chips there with another player. In other words, cash or Bellagio chips are abundant anywhere in Las Vegas - Especially at The Bellagio.

Joel,

I have to assume you are referring to my post in this part of your reply, and I have to ask that you re-read it. I never made any remark that questioned if somebody would have that kind of money on them. I merely pointed out that if they did, they must have enough money to not really mind if the jersey turned out to be less than a real gamer.

[trsent]

What is it with trsent always posting people's full names on the board every time he replies to a post where his name is mentioned?

Is that meant to intimidate or show how web-savvy you are that you can derive someone's actual name from what they've posted.

Let me say that I'm not impressed and I doubt that anyone is intimidated.
Stop doing it. You are only elevating your image on this board as that of a paranoid hothead.

Dude, get over yourself.

Richard L. Moore
(saved you the time, there)

Richard, people who do not sign their posts with a name I will reply with their full name. People on here do not like to sign their posts, and why? If you do not like my posts, there is a feature to block my posts but do not get on my back since I like to respond to people personally so they know I am directing my reply to them personally.

I personally do not like the policy of this forum that we have to look up user's names and they do not have to sign every post with a name and email address, but this is not my forum. If you do not like how I post - BLOCK MY POSTS - There is a feature to do this.

Finally DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO - YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, MY WIFE, MY STEP-MOTHER OR MY OWN, PERSONAL JESUS. I hate people who tell me what to or not to do. Block me but telling me how to post because you do not want people's names posted is your own choice - Start your own forum but don't get on my case because you like people to live with no names posted to their claims.

Sounds like the whining of a Chicago Bears Fan.

Joel,

I have to assume you are referring to my post in this part of your reply, and I have to ask that you re-read it. I never made any remark that questioned if somebody would have that kind of money on them. I merely pointed out that if they did, they must have enough money to not really mind if the jersey turned out to be less than a real gamer.

Dan, sorry if I misunderstood your post - I think it was several posts I was replying to, but no issues here - Your point is well taken and makes sense.