Questionable ESM Item on ebay

[astros*bats]

Eric-

You are right. The Astros took game one and THEN were swept out of the NLDS. Coincidentally, I have not recieved a response from ESM.

[suave1477]

Ok let me ask you this Astros? I am not saying your wrong but dont you think its possible that the player made a mistake ( not to say he forgot ) but when your signing a bunch of items over and over sometimes your mind plays tricks on you and maybe by accident he put the letter "C" by accident and meant to put the letter "D"

Your looking at it as the player writing NLCS like he played that game and maybe the player thought he was writing that and by accident wrote N L "D" S

[astros*bats]

Suave-

I do think it is possible that maybe Ricky wrote the wrong letter but I really doubt it. I don't think that Ricky ever played in an NLCS his whole career, and I know he never did as an Astro. So I find it hard to think that Ricky would sign a bat with NLCS. Regardless, the bat is now inked up stating that it was used in the NLCS when it never was.

[Hockystik]

"We go extra lengths to make sure the consumer gets legitimate items ie., LOA, getting game used insciption, and having photographer at signing to shoot each item on LOA."


I think if they went the extra length, this item would not be in question. They are taking the word from the player that the item is used instead of researching it to make sure it is. Who cares if the signing is photographed?

Mark

[suave1477]

Well I care if the signing is photographed it reassures me that the player actually signed it and not some ones grandmother with good pemanship pretending to be Mark McGwire!!!!

[trsent]

I do think it is possible that maybe Ricky wrote the wrong letter but I really doubt it. I don't think that Ricky ever played in an NLCS his whole career, and I know he never did as an Astro. So I find it hard to think that Ricky would sign a bat with NLCS. Regardless, the bat is now inked up stating that it was used in the NLCS when it never was.

You are correct, Ricky played in three NL Divisional Series in his career - 1997, 1998 and 1999 - All losing contests. 4-28 (.143), 1 run scored, no extra base hits and 7 walks. A .333 on base average in the post season is his only positive stat. Oh yeah, he did have one stolen base.

What I believe you are missing is that Ricky Gutierrez may not care or know the difference from NLCS and NLDS when stating an item to be game used. I would assume that many players do not know the alphabet soup of postseason baseball.

[allstarsplus]

What I believe you are missing is that Ricky Gutierrez may not care or know the difference from NLCS and NLDS when stating an item to be game used. I would assume that many players do not know the alphabet soup of postseason baseball.

Joel - I agree with your statement, and as always, honest mistakes happen. I do understand what some of the posts are saying that the sellers need to also do some research.

Is this Ricky Gutierrez a premium bat??? It is currently at $20.50 so it doesn't look like it has even eclipsed the cost of the lumber.

[trsent]

I personally dropped out of the bidding at $7.50.

[obeyone10]

Why does ESM and ASI never have a picture of the LOAs being signed once the information is posted in the actual LOA? Thats because they have the players sign blank LOAs and they fill in the middle however they want.
The players don't know what the heck they're writing in the middle. They could put in anything!! This is absolute forgery and fraud, moreover, they are misrepresenting the players.
Want to know how I know this? I'll email you my W2 while I worked for ASI. They have blank letters signed by numerous players.
Bryan Oberle
obeyone10@aol.com

[suave1477]

Obeyone I am not disagreeing with you but please explain this is that is the case and the players have no idea what they are agreeing too, then why would a player specify exactly what is written on the game used item?

Example LOA - Ruben Sierra signed game used bat Yankees 2005

Game Used bat - Autographed + inscription from the player - Game Used 2005