Gino Cappaletti 1960 Helmet??

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

Re: Gino Cappaletti 1960 Helmet??

Look at the logo on the side of the helmets. On the helmet on display the white and the blue wing go right into the corner to a point. Look closely at the real helmets in the pictures. The white part of the wing does not go into the point of the blue part. I stops back a bit. ????????
Also the rivets around the single bar mask on the pictures are spread out differently than the helmet on display.

[NEFAN]

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Unfortunately, eBay is full of uninformed bidders. The poor guy doesn't know what he is sinking his hard earned money in to. The Problem with eBay is they don't care if someone gets ripped off as long as they get their money.

[helmets]

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Ebay whacked this listing.
Gone.

[NEFAN]

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I saw the bid was up to $4700 when eBay ended your item. I'm sure you could have sold it for more that twice that if it were legit and you weren't such a hard person to deal with. I've been collecting and selling sports memorabilia for years and have learned alot from peoples inquiries. There have been several times when I listed items for someone that turned out to be bogus. I learned this from people asking the same kinds of questions they asked you. when someone want more pictures I sent them and not once was a fake reproduced from my photo's. When I found out an item was questionable I either changed the auction or removed it and returned the item. This only helped my rep, not hurt it.

I know you have had alot of genuine helmets, but quite frankly, I'd rather pass on a personal grail item then deal with someone who acts in this way.

I hope this was a learning experience for you in a good way.

Kevin

[ChrisCavalier]

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[NEFAN]

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That's fine Chris, this guy has resorted to sending me nasty emails filled with profanity and threats. I was going to post it here but will not. I have blocked his emails and hopefully will not have to deal with him again.

[seven4five20]

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The completely obvious thing was that the numbers and decals look like they were produced and placed on the helmet yesterday. Also, there must be a reason why there is a towel stuffed into the helmet to shield us from seeing the inside.

[1986&2004Bosox]

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Look at the auctions this guy has won on EBAY recently ALL BLANK HELMETS. Is it me or does this Raise alot of ????

[aeneas01]

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some thoughts:

1. more photos of the ebay helmet would be required in order to form a persuasive opinion.

2. as far as riddell's basic helmet models are concerned, they were introduced in the following order: rt2 ('46)*, rk4 ('54), tk5 ('55), rk2 ('61) and tk2 ('62). the ebay helmet is clearly an rk4 ('54) or an rk2 ('61). if it's an rk2 helmet (which can be determined by looking at the type of suspension unit it's fitted with), then i don't see how it can be an authentic 1960 pats helmet given the rt2 helmet didn't hit the market until 1961. in short, the ebay helmet would have to be an rk4 in order for it to be a 1960s pats gamer.

3. although the seller is obviously familiar with riddell helmet model styles, he fails to mention which model this helmet is in both his ebay ad and his email correspondence. further, he offers a photograph in his ebay ad that cearly hides the type of suspension unit the helmet is fitted with. i find this very suspicious.

4. while it's true the ebay helmet appears to be in a condition that would not be consistent with game wear or the helmet's age, i have handled authentic gamers from this era that have been unbelievably pristine. in other words, the condition of the helmet would not necessarily disqualify it as authentic imo.

5. despite what the seller states, the "hat" decal visible in the photo he provided is not "spot on". it's very close but varies from game photos as already mentioned. also, reproduction thin mil vintage decals are becoming more and more common as are vintage thin mil multi-layered decals. not too long ago vintage reproduction decals were made of the same vinyl as reproduction modern decals, made of the same thick mil vinyl - this, of course, was a red flag. but now it's not uncommon to see "authentic style" (thin mil) reproduction vintage decals. so just because a vintage lid is fitted with what appears to be vintage thin mil decals (or even thin mil multi-layered decals), it doesn't mean that these decals are not reproductions. but i will say this - 30-50 years has a way of changing the composition, look and feel of authentic vintage decals, something that is usually quite evident when inspecting a vintage lid in person.

6. the seller's terms, not to mention his demeanor, are absolutely ludicrous. to state that you will not provide an interested party with additional photos yet expect to be paid a large sum of non-refundable cash is nothing short of comical. equally comical is the seller's excuse for not wanting to provide additional photos.

7. years ago i corresponded with this seller and, if memory serves me correctly, our exchanges were not pleasant. i checked my email archives but i i've apparently not maintained emails from that far back. interestingly though, i did come across two very old emails from a couple of other helmet guys i corresponded with back in the day, a couple of guys that mentioned this ebayer in their emails to me by referring to him as "the guy named tony that ends his emails with god bless" - both of these mails confirmed what i remembered about my interaction with this ebayer - in short, both of these guys had nothing good to say about this ebayer. fwiw, it appears that he has changed his ebay name since the last time i corresponded with him.

8. could this be a very rare boston patriots lid from 1960? anything is possible. but i would certainly want a much, much closer look before i even thought about reaching for my wallet.

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[aeneas01]

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so here's the deal on the cappelletti helmet - it's a fake. no doubt about it. someone whose opinion i respect very much recently sent me an email in response to this thread and confirmed what we all suspected: that the seller's suspicious behavior and unruly demeanor pointed to trouble. the person i corresponded with also gave me some background on the lid as well as some background on the seller. as it turns out, the seller is indeed the same guy i exchanged emails with some time ago.

he makes a habit of regularly trying to pass off reproductions as authentic gamers. and he's not limited to football helmets - he's also responsible for fake football jerseys that have made the rounds at well known auction houses, jerseys which have been discussed here.

he has changed his ebay identity often yet continues to include the same "god bless" nonsense when he corresponds via email. this shameless ploy lasts only as long as it takes to con a seller or a buyer; once the jig is up and he is revealed for what he is, a common crook, the "god bless" sentiments are quickly replaced with f-bombs and threats.

back to the helmet - the person i spoke with immediately noticed that the "hat" decal on the seller's helmet was an exact copy of the "helmet hut" reproduction decals as far as shape, size and design are concerned. he also pointed out that the patriots only used a single layer decal in 1960 - the white line that forms the brim of the "hat" was actually the white shell of the helmet. the seller, not up to speed on this fact, proudly claimed in his lot description that the "hat" decal on his helmet was of the vintage two-piece variety - the white "brim" of the seller's reproduction decal is actually a white decal strip laid on top of the blue "hat".

not only does he engage in selling fakes as authentic, but he regularly contacts unsuspecting ebay sellers in an effort to low-ball them on their listed items. currently there is a beautiful vintage cleveland browns helmet listed on ebay - fortunately for the seller, he did not give into the offers including an approach by this person:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110344172814

fwiw, i will be reporting his activities to the fbi in the morning.

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[NEFAN]

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AMEN!! He strung me along on a couple of deals for months, probably while he was building a gamer for me. Luckily I spent my money elswhere rather than wait. I can't blieve I fell for the God Bless lines.

[helmets]

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Great Work Robert. I just wanted to tell you that, and to send this thread back up to the top for others to be aware of. The more people that are aware of the seller's methods, the better off the hobby will be. I believe his latest ebay user name was "ihadenough" which was registered almost 8 years ago, yet does not have any feedback. This alone should be suspect. Eight years ago, it was very easy to register many different ebay user names under one person or different people without providing any documentation. This appears to be just one other name that he registered. I have had dealings with him over the years and have refused to sell to him after I found out what I suspected he was doing.

[nyjetsfan14]

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[quote=aeneas01;121424]...yet continues to include the same "god bless" nonsense when he corresponds via email.[quote]

I occasionally use a sincere "God Bless" when ending correspondence to family, friends, and acquaintances and while I understand it isn't en vogue anymore I don't necessarily think it is nonsense. It is the person not the words.

[NEFAN]

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I just received a threatening phone call from this crook. He wasn't even smart enough to block his number. I'm calling the cops.

[Mr.3000]

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I just received a threatening phone call from this crook. He wasn't even smart enough to block his number. I'm calling the cops.

Please do. Make sure you press charges for terroristic threats, if he made actual threats. People like him need to face the music of their own actions.