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01-30-2009, 02:20 PM #21
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
Yeah, I know how that is...trying to get everything typed before your head explodes, huh?
Originally Posted by eisenreich8
Originally Posted by Mr. 3000
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01-30-2009, 02:24 PM #22Mr.3000Guest
Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
godwulf,
It was merely an example to say that we shouldn't know as much as we do about players.
It falls into the category of "Who cares what their sexual orientation is, or the religion, or anything else that doesn't fall inbetween the chalk lines".
I could have been more clear.
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01-30-2009, 02:55 PM #23
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
The issue was that the team didn't know if he would be willing to take the field and contribute- his being traded had nothing to do with personal life but more to do with reliability. He didn't like his contract status(the mega deal that he agreed to, along the 2 option years that his party insisted on) and he put up a stink, eventually trying to talk himself out of the starting lineup.
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01-30-2009, 03:11 PM #24Mr.3000Guest
Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
It was clear he wanted out of Boston. But to think he wouldn't contribute? Where in his stats does it show he didn't contribute?
2008, his last for Boston, he had 100 ab's....in which he only hit .299, had 109 hits, 20 hr's, 68 rbi and scored 66 runs. Not bad for a guy with "questionable motivation".
I'm just stating a case for Manny being a good player. In reality, I'm not even a Manny fan Never have been. But nobody can deny he's a great hitter. Maybe that's all he feels he needs to do. Like I said, nobody's perfect.
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01-30-2009, 03:12 PM #25Mr.3000Guest
Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
I meant to say 100 games (365 ab's).
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01-30-2009, 04:16 PM #26
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
I may have been guilty of running amok in this thread and deviating from the underlying topic, but I respectfully, and personally, don't agree that "between the chalk lines" is all there is to appreciate about the game and its players.
One could overlook the hero police officer who pins his badge on each day, and busts a lot of crime for his community, but off-duty, decides to snort oxycontin, shoplift and rob banks. I know one who did. All this erased any good he did in uniform to the observer.
As did my 7th and 8th grade award-winning science teacher, who 32 years later thought it was okay to sleep with his 16 year old students (female).
Or my parish priest, in the Boston area, who became a monsignor and was adored by all, until the skeletons came tumbling out of his confessional.
I am solidly in with and one of those humans who are imperfect and make mistakes. I am a very forgiving sort. But I get no pleasure out of an Albert Belle at-bat or a Carl Everett at-bat or a Roger Clemens Cy Young Season when I see the person in the polyester, who is a public figure and performer who does indeed owe something more to the fans. Not chipping in even a few hours for childrens' cancer research programs is indefensible and rotten. How can the way one swings a bat make it okay?
All that aside, Manny's reputation has apparently preceded him around both leagues, his bat is obviously not as much of a catalyst toward yet another mega contract, when he lacks so much else. I'll start my weekend by predicting that Boston will win the AL East by at least 3 games in '09.
Everyone enjoy your weekend. Go AZ!
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01-30-2009, 05:01 PM #27
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
This is a very interesting thread. Some say all that matters is what a player does on the field and others see Manny as the antichrist for his character and the way he layed down last year.
Manny was my favorite for years and clearly was a key to the 2 championships. He deserves credit. However, by letting down his teammates as his head swelled and by acting better than everyone else in the clubhouse, he DID affect the team on the field. These guys play 6 months ayear and live together as a unit. One guy can bring down a team, and Manny was voted off the island by veterans.
For me, I'd like to admire players that can both play and be decent people, and I don't think that is too much to ask. If Manny started hurting the team, then he had to go. Last I knew, this is a team sport and when I coach teams, that's what I try to teach kids.
Matt
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01-31-2009, 12:32 AM #28
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
My point exactly, kellsox.
So you've ALL "had enough of Manny". Poor, silly Bostonites.
Thank you!!! We haven't in Los Angeles. In fact, we're all collectively holding our breath for the signing announcement....
And if you'd like, give us your mailing address. We'll send you an invitation to our parade coming up in early November......
It will be for winning the event you guys won't see again for ......oh......maybe..........86 years?
We're dubbing it "The curse of the Manbino".
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01-31-2009, 12:47 AM #29
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Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
[quote=godwulf;120845]Yeah, I know how that is...trying to get everything typed before your head explodes, huh?
Actually, not trying to get off track on the thread, but here's why I was in a hurry.
I have typed two LONG very heart felt threads here, and BOTH times I lost them, because when I went to "submit reply", the next screen that popped up was the "sign in" screen. I guess I took too long, and it automatically logged me out.
On the second thread I spilled my guts, I remembered the first because it was so painful to realize I had NO WAY of retrieving my typed post by hitting "back"....it was GONE!......So, I remembered to highlight the whole thing, then right-clicked on the highlighted thread to "copy" it in case it dumped me into the same "sign in" page while losing my post.....but I realized you can't highlight and copy while posting here(????????). WHY IS THAT Chris Cavalier????? Is there a reason that you guys have disabled that possibility? So, I lost that second thread too.
So.....Now, when I type a post that is getting lengthy, I try my best to hurry, because if I lose a THIRD post, I may just give up altogether!
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01-31-2009, 12:54 AM #30Mr.3000Guest
Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'
Chances of Manny going to the Mets?