1930 Bat Labeling

[JimCaravello]

Hi Greg and Marcus - I have handled just a few bats from this era and I really don't know all the subtle variations. I am familiar with the basic labeling differences, but have not researched the subtle differences you are describing. It sounds as if Marchus has some good knowledge here - also, Bushing and or Taube may be able to help you in this area. Jim

[MSpecht]

Hi Greg , Jim, Marcus, and all:

Here's some basic information on barrel labeling of the time, but for more detailed information I will defer to Marcus who has an incredible resource with the side-written bats in his possession. This was the basic info used prior to the H & B vault sale which redefined some of the labeling concepts below.

"In general, here were the very basic the guidelines for barrel labeling only:

1922 to 1932: TRADEMARK written above signature
REG. U.S. PAT. OFF. written below signature

1932 to 1936: no writing above or below signature.... this is the most
commonly seen variation during this time period.

mid-1936 through 1940's: GENUINE written above signayure
REG. U. S. PAT. OFF. written below signature

The early 1930's were pretty transitional years in H & B labeling, for instance it is possible that the word GENUINE appeared on the barrel of some professional model bats as early as 1932. Also, the 1922 labeling, may have appeared in late 1921, and some variation of the 1932 labeling as early as late 1931."

As Marcus identifies the center labeling in greater detail, hopefully he will offer additional insight into the barrel labeling as well. Also a good internet source for viewinf numerous bats of this era is at www.leftfieldcollectibles.com and look at the Vintage Bats section of the left hand menu. I believe a direct link is
http://www.sacin.com/lfc/vintagebats/ProductList.aspx
Each bat listed can be viewed by clicking on the individual player's name in the left column.


Good Luck in future collecting.

Mike

[REDS1999]

Mike, Jim, and Marcus,

Thank you all very much for the labeling information, your time, and efforts. This is exactly why this website is so valuable and informative. Thanks again,
Greg

[BoneRubbedBat]

The stamping on the barrel varies with every signature model. The stamping die used for signature model bats also contains the "Trade Mark" or "Reg. U.S. Pat. Off.", making each one unique. I have not noticed any rhyme or reason why some have the signature only, some have TradeMark above or below, and some have the Reg. U.S. Pat. Off. The vast majority of signature model bats I have utilize only the TradeMark below the signature. I have sidewritten bats from the late teens to the early 1940's with this same barrel labeling. The real fun comes in identifying specific centerbrand dies and comparing them with the sidewriting, giving a rough date range of when that specific die was in use. This comes in handy when dealing with non-sidewritten bats.

The photos on www.leftfieldcollectibles.com are an awesome resource. Art Jaffe is a great guy and easy to work with. He is very accessible and is willing to answer any questions you may have about old bats.

I was able to view an excerpt of Vince Malta's forthcoming book, and I think alot of labeling questions will be clarified when it hits the shelves.


Marcus

[REDS1999]

Marcus,

Once again, thank you very much for the information. This has certainly helped me in possibly making my first purchase of a vintage 1930 era game used bat.

Greg