Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

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  • lon lewis
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 270

    Re: Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

    This has to be the one of your most ridiculous positions yet. First you post an email that was in response to an email from "Chris Arone" who had asked some specific questions and then had asked about my thoughts on some fairly out there possibilities. As usual you took out what you thought would benefit you and managed to leave out what the questions were and my full responses were. When he had asked about the Lynn sizes in a previous email I had typed in 1976-78 for a year range instead of 75-78 and I was correcting that. Wow, there's a big gotcha. The fact that the "regular" players had one more complete uniform than most of the others doesn't mean that they would get a new one every 27 games it's just what was ordered. I could go into the reasoning behind this but you'd never comprehend it. As far as softball jerseys, high school jerseys and others, that was in reference to your dis-belief that anything but major league jerseys would be tagged in the manner of the Red Sox and A's. It's a pretty assinine assumption to think that all of the high school, college, softball and minor league teams are called the A's or Red Sox. But somehow you made that brilliant leap. For the final time It seems only you doubt the existence of the aftermarket jerseys and nothing is going to change that. Great, it must be nice to be in denial ( not the river in Egypt) Somewhere in this mess someone (probably you) wants to know why if Stall and Dean is still around you can't get the records.Well that's not the same Stall and Dean of the 60's 70's and 80's. The Stall and Dean that I reference was owned by Richard Stall and sold to what I think is still the current owner Russell McKinnon in 1997 the sale did not include the McAuliffe label/ Corp so that's probably a blind alley as it's a different owner, different location and a different mission. I no longer feel the need to keep correcting your intentional misrepresentations and quite frankly your arguments are tiresome. You've tried to run to Mears for support and they politely told you to take a hike, you've flailed about here dismissing everyone and everything. You want this and you want that, but you want someone else to do the work for you. You say you've done this and you've done that. As I have said to you in the past in emails do you really want to get into a resume contest with me? For now and until the "project" is complete I'm going to as they say "pursue other interests" so go ahead and post your inaccurate comments, tantrums and anything else you like. The people here know what 's going on with you. Keep bailing

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    • kingjammy24
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 3119

      Re: Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

      Originally posted by 1986&2004Bosox
      .. so I guess numerous advanced collectors threw away thousands on the yaz, and williams in lelands and that lelands knowingly sold bad items?
      hey eric,

      does this sound familiar?

      "Well you know what auction houses sell BAD crap all day long. Lelands pulls stuff all the time from auction, so does ever other major auction house because errors are made.."

      let me refresh your memory, you said it back in 2004 when you were a "novice". so when it suits your purpose you feel that "auction houses sell BAD crap all day long.." and "lelands pulls stuff all the time.." yet then it's convenient for your purpose you'll say "..wouldn't major auction houses know this and not make the same mistake for years?" and "Yeah it is funny that an auction house or dealer would take the risk for a few thousand dollars because knowingly selling an item that is not what it is stated to be is fraud; and fraud equals jail time. Each and every act of fraud is punishable by no less than 1 and no more than 4 years in jail for each act plus restitution to the adversely affected party. So yeah to me their is no upside and only down side".

      what happened to "auction houses sell BAD crap all day long" eric?

      "I will not sit around and let him state one thing in one post and an email and another elsewhere.

      "I have not bailed once"

      "..does not mean you follow that person, especially when they have made conflicting statements.."

      with "25 yrs of experience", you would've had about 21 yrs worth in 2004. but with 21 yrs worth of experience you didn't know what "game-issued" meant.

      rudy.

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      • 1986&2004Bosox
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 140

        Re: Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

        Good luck to all of you and your collections.

        Lund6771 I was new to hockey collecting and made a big error.

        Lund 6771. Yes I tried to flip before I owned the items then found out these shirts had been passed thru the hobby as bad jerseys previously and the current owner was trying to unload them onto me.

        I was out of my field of expertise with hockey I did not do my home work and learned my lesson the hard way. It has not happened since then. I am sure we have all tried to place items that we part of a larger collection to make a deal work.

        I took the sellers word on the shirts and found out they had numerous issues and were on the web as know fakes. I made a mistake one which I will never make again. I relayed the info he provided me and that info turned out to not be correct. I should have done my home work I did not.

        However what I did in reference to trying to pre sell the items is no different then a dealer offering a collector a piece that has been offered to them. The dealer does not want to buy the piece outright but if they can find a customer for it and make a profit they will do so. That to this day I still do not feel is wrong, that is business.

        Since then I have brokered many deals, added to my personal collection, located numerous items and numerous respected board members and high profile dealers have completed transactions with me for everything from 2004 WS Players Ring, to a vintage 50ties Packers HOF players jersey, to 1919 WS program and tickets, to Brooklyn Dodgers Jerseys and banners, to Boston Braves bats, hats awards and everything in between.

        Would I like to keep all items I locate yes. Can I afford to no.

        Have we all not done the same thing as collectors? Is there anyone on the board who has never sold an item for profit?

        With regards to the current deal Chris has my address, copy of my license cell phone # and email and can get in touch with me any time he likes. if he wants his money back I will meet him right now.

        This to me is not about being right or wrong it is about coming to a conclusion on how to judge McAuliffe shirts and what exactly the borderless tag means. If others have spent hard earned money on something that is wrong then I would try and help them get their money back, I have stated that numerous times.

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        • Rob L
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 1237

          Re: Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

          Any idea what year this jersey came out? It's a mesh McAuliffe Red Sox retail jersey, no blue border.
          Rob L
          loefflerrd@cox.net

          Always On the Look Out for Troy Percival & Randy Johnson Gamers

          Rob L's Baseball Memorabilia website: GU Troy Percival, GU Randy Johnson, GU Angels, GU Baseball, 19th Century Baseball and Autographs. Also a huge Game Used Resource page and Game Used Collectors Page: www.loefflerrd.webs.com

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          • ChrisCavalier
            Paid Users
            • Jan 1970
            • 1967

            Re: Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

            While I realize this topic can provide a great deal of useful information to collectors, I'm afraid at this point this thread is beginning to stray from it's usefulness. With that said, I am going to lock this thread until Lon has accumulated the infromation he has referenced and can share it here with our community.

            If anyone has any other questions regarding this thread please feel free to contact me directly. I, and I'm sure I join many others, look forward to seeing Lon's findings and trust many will benefit from his knowledge and efforts.
            Christopher Cavalier
            Consignment Director - Heritage Auctions

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