Fred Lynn Red Sox Jersey - Thoughts?

[beantown]

Interested in fellow forum members thoughts on this 1977 Fred Lynn Game Used Red Sox Jersey....please let me know...thanks...

[beantown]

Can anyone offer any insight on this '76 Jersey having a "blue border" on the year and manufacturer tag vs. '77 that does not?

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/L...px?lotid=17711

[lon lewis]

Beantown, The blue border tags actually made their first appearance in 1974, and were in full production in 1975. Without getting into the legitimacy of the jersey shown, it should be noted that during the '70's and 80's anyone could obtain from McAuliffe/Stahl and Dean completely tagged jerseys of any of the teams that were produced by that company and after the '70's, those jerseys would as a general rule contain the borderless mfr tag.

[1986&2004Bosox]

lon so are you saying that the 77 yaz in lelands that sold was not correct? can anyone else confirm what lon is saying? I have not heard that but lon I would love to hear your thoughts on the yaz shirt in particular. Also I have seen a 74 yaz road with no blue in the neck are you saying that jersey is questionable as well?

[1986&2004Bosox]

May 2008 Catalog → Sports → Baseball Equipment Lot 195. 1977 Carl Yastrzemski Autographed Game Worn Home Jersey. Lon take a look and let me know. Are you saying that this is common knoweldge or is this your opinion about the border? Can anyone confirm this?

[1986&2004Bosox]

Lon what about 1980 Tony Armas, 1977 Ted Williams, also Lelands past auction? Lon if this is in fact a fact and not your opinion can you provide information such as order forms a book that shows you could order them something more than a statement that would backup your position? Otherwise the statement is harmful toward pieces. If it is indeed true then wouldn't major auction houses know this and not make the same mistake for years?

[suave1477]

I Just Want To Say I Gave Up Reading This Thread After About The 5th Page!!! Lol Lol:d

but This Thread Hs To Be Setting A Record For One Of The Longest Threads On Guu Lol Lol:d

[aeneas01]

even if you're not into jerseys i think this thread is very informative and a great read. further it's littered with gems that are sure to make you shoot your coffee through your nose...

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1986&2004Bosox

- Also you hit the nail on the head if MEARS has already authenticated borderless as gamers the standard has been set.

- Rudy if auction houses, MEARS, and Henderson's are not valid resources in your mind that what do you suggest we as collectors use to evaluate a jersey?

- It is laughable that Mr. Lewis will not provide the order records he states he has to MEARS to try and provide the collecting community with more research material. (one of my personal favorites!)

rudy

- the word "how" threw him. Q: how do i peel an apple? A: if you can't peel an apple then you shouldn't peel an apple. #@! brilliant.

- ultimately, i realize that having this discussion with a guy currently trying to sell a borderless fred lynn is like trying to explain how tasty a pulled pork sandwich is to a pig. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it"

- on that note, if mears, hypothetically speaking, comes to the eventual conclusion that borderless tags were for retail shirts, what are they going to do about all of the borderless jerseys they've already authenticated? announce a big buyback program? and on that note, how is mears only now investigating this issue after they've already authenticated many mcauliffe shirts? they don't know if mcauliffe made retail shirts and, if they did, how to tell them apart but they went ahead and declared themselves fit to authenticate mcauliffe shirts? isn't that the sort of basic info you learn before you start printing out the LOAs? how's it work at mears..authenticate the shirt first and then learn the difference between pro and retail?

- anyway, brush up on the statistical idea of representative samples. when a survey says "45% of americans prefer apples to oranges" they haven't actually interviewed every single known american to be able to make that claim.

- the odds are pretty slim of a forger having their own lathe, cords of ash, and fake LVS branding iron.

experts? you mean mears? the same firm that in the past week announced they're going to begin to investigate the notion of retail mcauliffes?

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[1986&2004Bosox]

For all that are interested MEARS article is online

[kingjammy24]

1) its my personal opinion that in attempting to determine tagging issues, jerseys of stars and superstars shouldn't be used as examples. the reasons are obvious. you're far better off, for the purpose of accurate results, to use jerseys from common players. there are a myriad of reasons, some legit and some not legit, why the jerseys of superstars are sometimes different from the jerseys of common players. if you were trying, for example, to determine the proper tagging for 1990 rawlings jerseys would you seriously include ripkens, bonds, and mcgwires? why when you could instead use leonards, breams, and gallegos and eliminate a whole slew of issues that might easily distort the results?

2) for a long time it's appeared to me that mears would slap an A10 on something if it had an athlete's "game used" notation. of course, mears never made any sort of qualitative distinction between players like arod who slapped "game used" on anything and more discerning and honest players. namath slapped a "game used" on that SB3 helmet and we all saw how worthwhile that notation was. same deal with arod and bonds. from some players, a "game used" notation means nothing.

3) i'd like to see dave's results with HOF'er jerseys removed. out of all of the jerseys mentioned in dave's report, the ONLY one without blue lines that's a common jersey is lee walls. haney, mccatty, drago, aviles, kearny, drumright all had blue lines. the ones without blue lines? yaz, rice, jackson, fingers, ryan, fisk.

for the purpose of finding out the most accurate, plausible answers, i think it behooves everyone to leave out the superstar jerseys.

rudy.