2009 Turner Field photography available for photomatches!

[kylehess10]

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Kyle ~ Wow! You are talented photographer! Some people think all you need is a good camera and lens but you also have to have a great sense of timing, a good eye, and knowledge of the game so you can anticipate a great shot that might be coming up. That's the difference between people who just take pictures and a craftsman.

A word of caution: MLB owns the rights to all images taken of MLB players. I know you are doing it because tit is great fun and to help out collectors ... and it is a perfect match for your photomatching skills. You might want to check it out because sometimes they crack down on photos sold without the MLB holo like Photofile images have.

Keep up the great work!

I know what you mean. I haven't had any problems though. A lot of the ushers at Turner Field know about me and they never say anything (except for a few who try to tell me my lens is too long to be allowed in Turner Field). Normally I've been selling my photography to autograph hounds in the area. There's one lady who I deal with who I give free photos to, and in return she gets me the best seats in the house to take pics (usually the first section above the dugout from my DOLLAR ticket). She also gives my pictures to players so a lot of players on the team like Schafer, Campillo, Infante, etc. all have my photos. When it comes to photomatches, my photography also comes in handy a lot. I helped a forum member last year photomatch a Kelly Johnson helmet from chipped paint that I caught from my photos, and a few months ago I photomatched a Matt Kemp bat I saw on eBay from one of my photos. With the prices Getty charges for a tiny photo ($49 to be precise), I thought having my photos for $5 for an 8x10 is great for display and photomatch purposes.

[treant985]

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CC--Are you sure about MLB owning the rights? I'm not sure how MLB can claim ownership over items produced by other people. They own the rights to TV broadcasts since they're considered to have enough originality that they can be copyrighted. But if you went to a game and took photos or even filmed the game, then MLB can't stop you from selling them; in fact, you can copyright them yourself to keep MLB from claiming ownership.

But this is why the teams can sometimes be so obsessive about keeping people from taking photos or especially video--because once you take the photos/video, MLB can't make any money off of it.

[kylehess10]

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CC--Are you sure about MLB owning the rights? I'm not sure how MLB can claim ownership over items produced by other people. They own the rights to TV broadcasts since they're considered to have enough originality that they can be copyrighted. But if you went to a game and took photos or even filmed the game, then MLB can't stop you from selling them; in fact, you can copyright them yourself to keep MLB from claiming ownership.

But this is why the teams can sometimes be so obsessive about keeping people from taking photos or especially video--because once you take the photos/video, MLB can't make any money off of it.

I've definitely heard about not taking video in Turner Field, but I'm always on/off about the photography. I know photography is allowed in Turner Field, but you can't have a lens extending past 5 inches. Mine is 7 inches but most ushers don't care.




Also.....I made a panoramic photo of Turner Field back when the Astros were in town. If anybody wants it as a desktop background or to print out, then be my guest to use it!:

http://i40.tinypic.com/280odc3.jpg

[cordovacollector]

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CC--Are you sure about MLB owning the rights? I'm not sure how MLB can claim ownership over items produced by other people. They own the rights to TV broadcasts since they're considered to have enough originality that they can be copyrighted. But if you went to a game and took photos or even filmed the game, then MLB can't stop you from selling them; in fact, you can copyright them yourself to keep MLB from claiming ownership.

But this is why the teams can sometimes be so obsessive about keeping people from taking photos or especially video--because once you take the photos/video, MLB can't make any money off of it.

Not true on pretty much all you mention here. You can't individually copyright a photo because they own it, even if you took the photo. The own all rights to each players' image.

Does anyone have a current baseball ticket handy to post? It used to say this on the back of every ticket.

[mattmueller]

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From the back of an Indians ticket, I would think all have the same disclaimer:

"The holder is admitted to Progressive Field on the condition that the ticketholder will not transmit or aid in transmitting any description, account, picture, viedo, audio, reproduction, or other information concerning the game and game events to which this ticket admits".

[cjw]

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[quote=kylehess10;143662]I've been getting a few e-mails lately from collectors asking if I have pictures from specifc games to help photomatch different pieces. So here is an update with games I have taken pictures at. Recently I have been taking around 600 or so pictures a game and I try to not miss anyone from both teams. Here's some example shots too from the past few games I attended:


Braves/Blue Jays 5/24/09

Kyle...awesome pics! Love to see what you have of the Jays from the May 24th game. Can you send a link to avaialble pics, or can you tell me what you have of Lind, Halladay, Rios, etc. Thanks! chris

[treant985]

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Not true on pretty much all you mention here. You can't individually copyright a photo because they own it, even if you took the photo. The own all rights to each players' image.

Does anyone have a current baseball ticket handy to post? It used to say this on the back of every ticket.

OK, to prevent confusion, I'll just settle this. If you read this case (http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/07/10/063357P.pdf), you'll see that MLB specifically does NOT own the rights to player likenesses, statistics, or names. The 8th circ. Court of Appeals held that "CBC's first amendment rights in offering its fantasy baseball products supersede the players' rights of publicity." Those fantasy baseball products included "names, nicknames, likenesses, signatures, pictures, playing records, and/or biographical data of each player."

Teams, CAN, however, prevent you from bringing cameras onto their property, which is what most of them do. That's how they keep people from taking video/nice photos, over which MLB could never claim ownership. Additionally, individual photographs CAN be copyrighted by the photographer (see, for a clear discussion: http://www.peterkrogh.com/copyright/main.html).

MLB can claim they own your photographs all they want; the back of a ticket is not dispositive over a federal court case. END OF STORY.

[treant985]

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And for a really good discussion of using pro athletes' likenesses, check out this page: http://www.commlawblog.com/2009/05/a...-of-publicity/ .

[treant985]

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You can make the argument that the CA case only applies to fantasy baseball, but considering photos/video are so enmeshed with first amendment stuff, the holding would probably apply to just every-day people taking photographs for any kind of publishment or display...

[kylehess10]

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Kyle...awesome pics! Love to see what you have of the Jays from the May 24th game. Can you send a link to avaialble pics, or can you tell me what you have of Lind, Halladay, Rios, etc. Thanks! chris

Here's a few examples I have from that game. Let me know if you'd like to see more.

[jobathenut]

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Thank you treant-I was going to post that some people who think it's against some kind of law to take pictures at games and selling them or doing whatver you want with them,must be watching too much perry mason,i know i'm showing my age with that refrence.As the league does not own the pictures you take with your camera.I mean common sense tells you that.They just would'nt let you bring in cameras.It's the reason when you go to most concerts they don't let you bring camers/videos,cause they know once you take them you're free to do whatever you want with them.

OK, to prevent confusion, I'll just settle this. If you read this case (http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/07/10/063357P.pdf), you'll see that MLB specifically does NOT own the rights to player likenesses, statistics, or names. The 8th circ. Court of Appeals held that "CBC's first amendment rights in offering its fantasy baseball products supersede the players' rights of publicity." Those fantasy baseball products included "names, nicknames, likenesses, signatures, pictures, playing records, and/or biographical data of each player."

Teams, CAN, however, prevent you from bringing cameras onto their property, which is what most of them do. That's how they keep people from taking video/nice photos, over which MLB could never claim ownership. Additionally, individual photographs CAN be copyrighted by the photographer (see, for a clear discussion: http://www.peterkrogh.com/copyright/main.html).

MLB can claim they own your photographs all they want; the back of a ticket is not dispositive over a federal court case. END OF STORY.

[ndevlin]

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Thank you treant-I was going to post that some people who think it's against some kind of law to take pictures at games and selling them or doing whatver you want with them,must be watching too much perry mason,i know i'm showing my age with that refrence.As the league does not own the pictures you take with your camera.I mean common sense tells you that.They just would'nt let you bring in cameras.It's the reason when you go to most concerts they don't let you bring camers/videos,cause they know once you take them you're free to do whatever you want with them.

I went to a Bob Dylan concert years back and took a picture real quick at my seat and put the camera in my pocket. A security guard came and asked me for my camera and told me I could get it back at the end of the show. Never seen or heard of anything like that before. Its ok, the show blew anyways.

[jobathenut]

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I'm sorry kyle as i know we have gone off topic here,as you're just looking to see if anyone wants you're great pictures.But yeah NDEVLIN-It says it on almost all concert tickets.And it's for the reason,they don't want you selling them.But some acts still let you take pictures and years ago motley crue did a tour where they encourged fans to bring video cameras and they let you take videos and tape the show as they wanted people to trade them.And i know the grateful(i know spelled wrong,im not a dead head)dead are big on taping thier concerts.That's why i am suprised that happen at a bob dylan concerts,as i would think he would be one that would be ok with people doing that.All i know you're lucky,that you got your camera.Years ago i took a picture at a kiss concert and thier security came up to me and told me to give them the camera.And i said i would just give them the film,and they told me,"give us the camera and you can stay,or we can take the camera and you leave.your choice.But either way we get the camera".They refused to take just the film,and the more i argured the more security they were calling on thier walkie talkies as more security kept showing up.And when there was like 10 guys standing around me,i decided it was time to buy a new camera anyway.

I went to a Bob Dylan concert years back and took a picture real quick at my seat and put the camera in my pocket. A security guard came and asked me for my camera and told me I could get it back at the end of the show. Never seen or heard of anything like that before. Its ok, the show blew anyways.

[cordovacollector]

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MLB isn't going to bother families with Instamatics and flash cubes. And I believe they allow a personal one-time fair use. They do care about someone with a Canon professional series lens in the crowd. (That's not the lens Kyle has, that's an example.) They will check when they see offerings of photos for sale on the internet or at shows or in stores.

Concert tickets have the same copyright statements as MLB on the tickets. They just enforce it at the concert. They own the use rights to all images, so does MLB.

Actually, concerts though stricter on site, will generally allow a few sales of photos. Within a couple weeks of the show they are more lenient but not for long-term sales.

MLB is only going to get stricter as the more affordable, fantastic hi-res digital cameras appear in the crowd. Great amateur photographers like Kyle and some of the rest of us have to appreciate working on our passion and hobby while we can.

As an editor that worked with copyright law and rights, I was just giving Kyle a heads up about keeping low key if he chose to sell.

[ndevlin]

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I'm sorry kyle as i know we have gone off topic here,as you're just looking to see if anyone wants you're great pictures.But yeah NDEVLIN-It says it on almost all concert tickets.And it's for the reason,they don't want you selling them.But some acts still let you take pictures and years ago motley crue did a tour where they encourged fans to bring video cameras and they let you take videos and tape the show as they wanted people to trade them.And i know the grateful(i know spelled wrong,im not a dead head)dead are big on taping thier concerts.That's why i am suprised that happen at a bob dylan concerts,as i would think he would be one that would be ok with people doing that.All i know you're lucky,that you got your camera.Years ago i took a picture at a kiss concert and thier security came up to me and told me to give them the camera.And i said i would just give them the film,and they told me,"give us the camera and you can stay,or we can take the camera and you leave.your choice.But either way we get the camera".They refused to take just the film,and the more i argured the more security they were calling on thier walkie talkies as more security kept showing up.And when there was like 10 guys standing around me,i decided it was time to buy a new camera anyway.

Yeah, I knew you were supposed to take pics, that why I did it quickly. I just didnt realize they were so strict about and actually ask for your camera. And I went to a Kiss concert as well back in 96 or so and it was a great concert. They put on a show.

Ok, sorry....back to the main topic..