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Thread: Lou Lampson Question
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04-19-2009, 08:06 PM #11
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On a side note, to all the Lampson supporters out there, perhaps I should reopen shop as a Financial Advisor. My plan would be to offer any and all financial products as long as they paid me a very handsome commission or I would charge a flat managed fee and then do little or no research on anything that I was recommending including failing to keep current with ever changing tax law, estate planning law etc. I would provide completely inept advise and I am guessing based on Mr. Lampson's advocates you would all gladly come see me for service and not think twice.
So, that being said, who is ready to sign up as my first client? I think perhaps I might have found a really good way to make some serious money. Now, if only the SEC does not come knocking.Brett Herman
brettherman2131@hotmail.com
Always looking for Cal Ripken Jr. Brooks Robinson, Boog Powell and Orioles game used bats and jersey's.
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04-19-2009, 08:11 PM #12
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There was a link to an eBay auction a few months ago. It was a St. Louis Blues
practice jersey with a Lampson LOA. The jersey was a Sandow durene, size small, store bought that would have fit snuggly on a fifth grader. My opinion is someone paid money for L.L.'s opinion. The jersey was not a fake that was doctored to be a legitimate Blues practice jersey. It was a kid's retail jersey that looked exactly like a kid's retail jersey.
Lampson may very well be a nice guy. However, being a nice guy doesn't pay the rent.
Lampson's "opinions" are messing it up for everyone else's "facts".
If Lampson wrote complimentary letters of opinion, without a charge, it would still be a rip-off.
The following is a very short documentary that was shot by a concerned forum member and edited by the production crew at both-teams-played-hard:
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04-19-2009, 08:11 PM #13
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Wow. I've been a member of this forum for several years now, and I must say that this is exactly the opposite of my observations. You nearly need to commit mass murder on here to be banned. Eric and Chris (and Rob and Mike) give everyone second and third chances and are actually incredibly understanding and forgiving. My sense is that they have gone to considerable lengths to provide an open setting for real discourse to take place. In fact, it is not even often that one sees a post edited or a thread locked, never mind a member banned. Not trying to pick an argument with you, as you are entitled to your perception and I respect it. I was just very surprised to read this.
As for Eric's original post about Lou, I actually thought it was terribly polite!
.Always looking for top NBA game worn items of superstar and Hall-of-Fame-caliber players (especially Kobe, LeBron, MJ, Curry and Durant). Also looking for game worn items of all players from special events (e.g., All Star Game, NBA Finals, milestone games, etc.). Please contact me at gameusedequip2@hotmail.com. Thank you.
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04-19-2009, 08:38 PM #14
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04-19-2009, 08:51 PM #15
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You are probably correct, and if I could go back and edit the "banned" comment I would. It just makes me sick that I see all the bashing of individuals on here, then I turn around and see certain posters selling their Lampson authenticated items. Not that I have a problem with that...I have a problem that they bash him on here until it is financially convenient for them to show their item has been authenticated.
Eric, I do apologize for the comment.
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04-19-2009, 08:54 PM #16
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No need to apologize.
Mr. Lampson has authenticated item after item in every sport- from helmets to jock straps. He himself admitted in the Chris Nerat interviews on youtube "people that ask you to do something, they don't want to pay you if you turn it down.."
"i wish when you get the chance to do it you could spend more time, unfortunately you don't..."
Oh, and you can't hide behind that "It's just an opinion" crap when the companies he is authenticating for trumpet you in the following way "Lou Lampson is considered by collectors, ex-athletes, and equipment managers, alike as the foremost authority and analyst in the field."
They're telling you he's an expert.
The end result is- his mistakes cost people their hard earned money and he doesn't even bother to make himself accessible for questions about his findings.
I removed a line here because it may have been too harsh. I'll just say it used the words "liar" "cheat" and "coward."Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...
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04-19-2009, 09:10 PM #17
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I am still laughing about your video. I have 100's of game used items and only 1 that came with a Lampson LOA which I disposed of.
I also appreciated Eric's candid comments.
The end result is- his mistakes cost people their hard earned money and he doesn't even bother to make himself accessible for questions about his findings.
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04-19-2009, 09:11 PM #18
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Always looking for top NBA game worn items of superstar and Hall-of-Fame-caliber players (especially Kobe, LeBron, MJ, Curry and Durant). Also looking for game worn items of all players from special events (e.g., All Star Game, NBA Finals, milestone games, etc.). Please contact me at gameusedequip2@hotmail.com. Thank you.
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04-20-2009, 01:33 AM #19
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Eric - Do you think the major auction houses are accepting consignments that they know have issues and ask Lou Lampson to authenticate it knowing of these issues? I just don't see that happening. I personally believe that Lou Lampson looks at an item and then doesn't do modern, 2009 World Wide Web (or MEARS) style of authentication.
I believe, from stories I have heard from former auction house employees who have worked with Lou Lampson, that he looks at items and makes an opinion. I wish he would respond to our concerns, but he is very mysterious.
People bring up items he has written letters of opinion for that major issues were found with his opinion. This is scary that it continues, but I do not know if giving an opinion is illegal.
I wish the man would use more modern approaches myself but I do not buy anything authenticated by him unless I do my personal homework.
It is pretty odd with all the questionable opinions found that any auction house would continue to use his service but I guess he is the only one they can afford?
This post shows my original point - Lots of name calling and possibly deserved - But never proved that he is a "crook" or a "fraud" as I do not believe he is being paid to authenticate items he is told are bad as genuine - From everyone I have ever talked to who has worked with him - He is just giving an opinion of items presented to him.
I do not believe time to inspect items properly is taking place, but I do not believe all the mysterious "Authenticate my fake item and I will pay you" deals are taking place in these situations.
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04-20-2009, 08:20 AM #20
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I have no way of knowing that.
What I do know is, it's a convenient system. They advertise using the "foremost authentication expert in the hobby," then list items as "game used" and then institute and all sales final rule.
And the person offering the opinion isn't even using common sense. That's how two Lou Lampson authenticated one-of-a-kind John Elway throwback jerseys get authenticated by the same man and are run in different auctions simultaneously.
How do you think auction houses would so sales-wise if they made it clear that their authenticator was just offering his opinion, many times he is rushed and cannot research every item thoroughly and because of that items may or may not be as listed in the auction catalog. Obviously no business would run that way, but that is one extreme and the auction houses are actually running at the other extreme. Declaring things are "the finest example ever seen" etc. That's more than an opinion. That's a definitive statement by an expert.
They say "If you're not comfortable, don't bid." What people who are new to the hobby might not realize is, to be comfortable means you have to ignore the auction description completely and do all homework from scratch. You and I know that, but does the buyer looking to spend money he or she has saved some something special?Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...