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04-21-2009, 12:17 PM #1
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
I've seen that happen before. If a player is traded, they include the jersey from his former team. With this Tarkenton card however, there can be no mistake that the material looks only like the Pro Bowl jersey he wore in 1971. There is no purple so it's certainly not a Vikings jersey, and when he played for the giants, there was no red in the jerseys at all.
I'll have a better idea when I can read the back of the card, that should give us some better answers.
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04-21-2009, 01:04 PM #2
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
Of note, ordinarily if a player is injured or begs off beforehand, he doesn't even attend the Pro Bowl. He doesn't even fly to Hawaii. It's not like a regular season game, where the player will stand on the sideline if injured.
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04-21-2009, 07:37 PM #3
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
I'm actually just getting into the whole game used memorabilia thing, I've been collecting cards for years. I just wanted to follow up on what a couple people said earlier about jerseys from different years/teams...
It is a VERY common thing to put jerseys in the card that weren't worn from a particular season or were worn by the player on a previous team. Also, just because it says "1976" on the front of the card, does NOT mean that the jersey was used during the 1976 season, it's just saying that for the "Pro Bowl Squad" subset purposes.
As you've said, it's really going to be important what the card says on the back, but from my experience they are usually very non-descript and give no real details about anything important. Most of the time it just says something like "this jersey was worn by player x in an official nfl pro bowl game".
So, I'd be very interested to find out what happens with this, so keep this thread updated. Like I said before, I'm really into cards and this whole memorabilia thing (at least full size pieces lol) is all new to me, so it's very interesting.
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04-21-2009, 07:59 PM #4
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
You make a very valid point. The other Pro Bowl jersey cards in the set use the logo of the specific Pro Bowl game for which the jersey is being used. I'm guessing since their might not have been an official logo for the Pro Bowl in those days, they used the NFC logo and the year of 1976.
For arguments sake though, lets say this is jersey from the 1971 Pro Bowl, in my opinion, they should not put the year of 1976 anywhere on the card. It creates a cause for mass confusion. It will be one thing if the back of the card states the exact game it was used in but if it just states generically that it was used in an official NFL game or in an official Pro Bowl game, than there is an issue in my opinion.
With a card such as this, they must be as accurate and detailed as they can be in my opinion although I certainly see where you are coming from.
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04-21-2009, 08:08 PM #5
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
I think that the reason they put 1976 on the card is to give the impression that it's from his Pro Bowl from his MVP season. I don't own, nor have ever seen, one of these cards from this set in person, but I think that maybe about 10 - 20 of my hundreds of game used cards give actual dates for the game that the pieces were used. They're always extremely vague and give no details.
I will admit though, that after reading a thousand or so posts on this forum about all the details that game used memorabilia collectors go into for their items, I can see where this becomes an issue on this board. Buuuut, normally there isn't any details given and to be honest, I've never heard any card collectors complain (including myself). Now after reading this forum for a month or so, I wish there were TONS of details, but it never even occured to me before to care what game it was from or what season or to ever try to photmatch anything. I've never heard of the term photomatch until I started reading this forum despite collecting game used memorabilia cards for 10+ years (and just normal cards for twice as long).
Anyway, long winded post, but the moral of the story is that most card collectors (in my experience) don't care about details. They figure that Donruss or Topps or Upper Deck says the jersey was used in a game, so it must've been.
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04-21-2009, 08:15 PM #6
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
That is how I looked at it before the issue with this card and after reading about other issues on this board. Usually, I wouldn't care what game or year the patch game from so long as I knew it was honestly from a true game-worn jersey.
The reason why I do care with this card is because the reason I bought it is because it was from Tarkenton's MVP season. The next issue is (that if it is from another Pro Bowl and the jersey swatch is real), the inclusion of the 1976 date damages the credibility of the card in my eyes.
It very well might be real but to see such an obvious error (and/or deception) takes away a lot of the faith I would have otherwise put in the card and the company.
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04-21-2009, 08:19 PM #7
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Re: Error on 2005 Donruss Fran Tarkenton Pro Bowl Jersey Card?
I completely agree. That's what I'm saying... before I started reading all this stuff on here about all the details that people try to get to authenticate items I never gave it a second thought about what game, year, or anything else it came from.
I also agree that it's very deceiving when they put the date on there, but I think that generally card collectors couldn't care either way so that's why they get away with it. Nobody challenges them, so they don't have to worry about explaining themselves.
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04-21-2009, 08:15 PM #8