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05-21-2009, 04:03 PM #1
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Re: Lebron jersey - A5
Danny - You are 100% correct. The A5 grade is often abused in the current marketplace, but please take note - the issues raised by Rudy based on one jersey authenticated by another company thus making it impossible for LeBron to have worn another size during the entire NBA season is not enough evidence to raise questions about this jersey.
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05-21-2009, 05:05 PM #2
Re: Lebron jersey - A5
"...thus making it impossible for LeBron to have worn another size during the entire NBA season is not enough evidence to raise questions about this jersey."
as usual joel, you've missed the boat. read the troy's requirements for the A5:
"5. Correct size for player
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10.We make sure the jersey was the proper size to be issued to that player"
an A5 isn't granted on the basis that "anything is possible". is it possible that lebron wore a size 44? sure! technically, anything's possible. anything being possible does not mean it's the correct size. troy explicitly states that mears makes "..sure the jersey was the proper size to be issued to that player". well, here's my evidence that lebron wore a size 50 in 2005:
as well, barry meisel is known to have handled lebron's gamers obtained directly from the league. as such, i think his comments regarding lebron wearing a size 50 carry substantial weight.
conversely, how did troy "make sure" lebron wore a 52? does mears have a single shred of any sort of evidence that lebron wore a 52 in 2005/06?
he didn't make sure because no such evidence exists. it's just more mears doublespeak; mears says they stylematch things and it's been shown that they do not. now they're saying they make sure the size is correct and i am telling you they do not. the point here is that mears says that they do things that the evidence shows they do not.
it's very likely that at the time mears evaulated that jersey, they had no clue what size lebron really wore. if they had contacted barry meisel or spent some time on getty they might've learnt otherwise. so they had no idea yet they said their letter states that they know 52 is "the correct size". how did they arrive at that conclusion? what evidence? i arrived at my conclusion that he wore a 50 via images and barry meisel's opinion. how did mears arrive at their opinion? flip of a coin? spin the bottle?
it's yet another example of mears claiming to know things they do not. the last time i took troy to task for purporting to know things he didn't, he said it was to "build their database".
joel you should open an authentication service and call it "Anything's Possible"..
irate customer - "..in your LOA, you stated that a size 40 jersey was correct for pujols in 2003. how did you arrive at that unlikely size?"
JA - "well..is it possible that he wore a size 40?"
irate customer - "i guess it's technically possible.."
JA - "well there you go! correct size!"
rudy.
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05-21-2009, 05:24 PM #3
Re: Lebron jersey - A5
yet troy made sure that a 52 was issued to lebron. riiiiiiiight. just like their non-existent stylematches.
rudy.
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05-21-2009, 05:27 PM #4
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Re: Lebron jersey - A5
In its current nba auction according to Meigrey he is sporting a 48+4 size jersey. How in the world can Lebron wear a 48+4 or 50+4 and Kobe wears a 54+4 and 56+4? I know Dans the lakers expert but can anybody tell me how can this be or is the tag just a tag and they really are measuring other parts of the jersey.
Anthony
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05-21-2009, 05:30 PM #5
Re: Lebron jersey - A5
Always looking for top NBA game worn items of superstar and Hall-of-Fame-caliber players (especially Kobe, LeBron, MJ, Curry and Durant). Also looking for game worn items of all players from special events (e.g., All Star Game, NBA Finals, milestone games, etc.). Please contact me at gameusedequip2@hotmail.com. Thank you.
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05-21-2009, 05:42 PM #6
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05-23-2009, 06:46 AM #7
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Re: Lebron jersey - A5
what am i missing here?
1) all known exemplars of lebron james jerseys are size 50+2
2) there are no photos of lebron james wearing a 52+4
3) lebron 52+4 jerseys were available at retail sale
how can a 52+4 even get graded?
take care
john
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05-23-2009, 09:20 AM #8
Re: Lebron jersey - A5
I recently purchased a 1994 NY Jets preseason jersey accompanied by a MEARS LOO and worksheet. I originally owned the jersey, sold it, it somehow ended up with MEARS, then to another dealer before I re-purchased it off e-Bay. The MEARS worksheet indicates an A5 grade but the LOO indicates an A4. The grades are supposed to match up. The jersey has had the anniversary patch removed (there is evidence of such), the Champion sleeve identifiers removed from the sleeve stripe and resewn above the sleeve stripes, and the NOB is atypical of what the Jets wore in the early 90's on their non throwback jerseys. All of these are points I made in my original item description when I sold the jersey and to me are very explainable/justifiable - actually lending to the legitimacy of the piece. However, there is no mention at all of any of those very visible and important issues on either the worksheet or LOO even though the LOO indicates a photo style match. I e-mailed MEARS and they were nice enough to respond admitting more effort could/should have been put forth and that they could reissue new documentation to include the issues I brought forth - which I politely declined as I do all my own write ups. This information is not to disparage MEARS or anyone else but rather to reinforce the number one rule we always hammer on this forum - DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK and seek assistance from fellow members. Do not depend on any authenticator/auction house no matter how fancy a COA or worksheet they have. Posts like Rudy's, Robert's, Howard's, etc... go a loooong way in helping the collecting community arm themselves with information. Helping one another and sharing information is the primary purpose of the forum and I personally do not feel either constitutes smearing but rather participating in good faith and keeping in the spirit of the hobby. Happy collecting to all!