Bagwell Game Used - Cleats Especially

[whatupyos]

Les,

If it helps, I can vouche for Howard. I've dealt with him and he knows his stuff. Very honest and extremely knowledgable. I hope this helps. I know there are tons of people who seem to dislike Howard on here, so maybe this said dealer has it out for him, but I'd put my trust in him.

Aaron

[frikativ54]

Les-

You make a post seeking Bagwell equipment, I offer you a perfect 2002 pre-game, and your reply notes that the name on back is incorrect based upon a “dealers” opinion? Which well educated “dealer” assisted you in determining my Bagwell shirt has the spacing on the name too close together? Not only does this “dealer” have no idea what’s he’s making an opinion about, your post shows your complete lack of knowledge on Bagwell and Astros jerseys.

I simply told you a dealer's opinion about your jersey. I never said I am an expert about Bagwell jerseys, nor that he has the final word. Honestly speaking, I feel that it's inappropriate for me to name the person I got my information from. He is a reputable dealer, and offered his opinion in private.

Can you please respect the forum rule of no personal attacks. This is not about my knowledge of Bagwell jerseys; it's about the item itself. And I know what I am talking about. For example, in the 2000-2005 era, Bagwell never wore below a size 50 jersey. Yours is a 48, simply too small for Bagwell.

[frikativ54]

Les,

If it helps, I can vouche for Howard. I've dealt with him and he knows his stuff. Very honest and extremely knowledgable. I hope this helps. I know there are tons of people who seem to dislike Howard on here, so maybe this said dealer has it out for him, but I'd put my trust in him.

Aaron

Aaron,

The dealer I am talking about is not a forum member, and does not wish to be one. I have no idea if he knows Howard or not, but I'm betting against it. In our numerous conversations, Howard's name has never come up.

That this dealer somehow has it out for him seems quite paranoid. Why would a non-forum member, someone I know from outside GUU, a guy who has handled several Bagwell jerseys, have it in for Howard?

Can we stick to the facts here? It's not Howard vs. me at all. I simply had some questions about the jersey, and I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys.

[hblakewolf]

I simply told you a dealer's opinion about your jersey. I never said I am an expert about Bagwell jerseys, nor that he has the final word. Honestly speaking, I feel that it's inappropriate for me to name the person I got my information from. He is a reputable dealer, and offered his opinion in private.

Can you please respect the forum rule of no personal attacks. This is not about my knowledge of Bagwell jerseys; it's about the item itself. And I know what I am talking about. For example, in the 2000-2005 era, Bagwell never wore below a size 50 jersey. Yours is a 48, simply too small for Bagwell.

Les:

See your post above, then your post immediately following (below).

Clearly, you are way out of your league here and I strongly suggest focusing on Bagwell baseball cards, photos, bobble heads, Starting Lineups and similar mass produced items for your collection, first. Game used and game worn equipment? you said it best below....

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

Aaron,

The dealer I am talking about is not a forum member, and does not wish to be one. I have no idea if he knows Howard or not, but I'm betting against it. In our numerous conversations, Howard's name has never come up.

That this dealer somehow has it out for him seems quite paranoid. Why would a non-forum member, someone I know from outside GUU, a guy who has handled several Bagwell jerseys, have it in for Howard?

Can we stick to the facts here? It's not Howard vs. me at all. I simply had some questions about the jersey, and I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys.
__________________
Les Zukor
lazukor@gmail.com
Collecting Jeff Bagwell
http://www.bagwellgameused.com

[frikativ54]

Les:

See your post above, then your post immediately following (below).

Clearly, you are way out of your league here and I strongly suggest focusing on Bagwell baseball cards, photos, bobble heads, Starting Lineups and similar mass produced items for your collection, first. Game used and game worn equipment? you said it best below....

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

Aaron,

The dealer I am talking about is not a forum member, and does not wish to be one. I have no idea if he knows Howard or not, but I'm betting against it. In our numerous conversations, Howard's name has never come up.

That this dealer somehow has it out for him seems quite paranoid. Why would a non-forum member, someone I know from outside GUU, a guy who has handled several Bagwell jerseys, have it in for Howard?

Can we stick to the facts here? It's not Howard vs. me at all. I simply had some questions about the jersey, and I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys.
__________________
Les Zukor
lazukor@gmail.com
Collecting Jeff Bagwell
http://www.bagwellgameused.com

Please, Howard. Stop playing semantic games with me. As someone who nearly majored in Linguistics, and who has taken three languages besides English, I now recognize that the sentence I wrote is ambiguous. It was unintentionally ambiguous.

What I said "I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys" means not that I know nothing about Bagwell jerseys. Rather, the difference is between whether "attacked for" is its own verb or if "for" is part of a prepositional phrase.

Do I need to draw tree diagrams to prove what I meant?

[frikativ54]

Clearly, you are way out of your league here and I strongly suggest focusing on Bagwell baseball cards, photos, bobble heads, Starting Lineups and similar mass produced items for your collection, first.

Another personal attack. You are breaking forum rules. This is not about my knowledge of Bagwell items; it's about your jersey. Similarly, it's not about semantics.

Let me make something clear. From the 2000-2005 era, I have owned three Bagwell jerseys. The 2000 was a size 50. The 2003, which I recently traded, was a size 52. And the 2005 I own is a size 52.

Your jersey is a 48. Wrong size.

[frikativ54]

I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys.
__________________
Les Zukor
lazukor@gmail.com
Collecting Jeff Bagwell
http://www.bagwellgameused.com

To make things a bit more clear. There is a difference between the following two sentences:

"I don't need to be attacked for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys."

That was what I said. Now, I didn't say the following:

"I don't need to be attacked, for not knowing anything about Bagwell jerseys."

Two totally different meanings. Stop skewing my words.

[Lokee]

allthough this is none of my business it is on an open forum. I know either of the main people in this debacle.

I collect a couple specific players and can say from experience just because a player wears a certain size as a game jersey does not mean he couldn't wear a different sized BP jersey.

For example I have a 1995 John Valentin Red Sox jersey that came straight from the Red Sox and is a size 48, at the same time I purchased a 1995 Valentin BP jersey again from the Red Sox and it was a size 46. Same thing with my 1995 Mo Vaughn jerseys both purchased directly from the Red Sox and both different sizes a gamer and a BP jersey.

Anyways it is quite possible to have different sizes from BP to game jersey's.

[sox83cubs84]

Adding to that, Lokee, a Cubs Convention sourced Glenallen Hill BP jersey that was an XL, while game jerseys of the era of his were a size 50 (XXL).

BTW, Lokee, what happened to your avatar? I liked it.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[hblakewolf]

Adding to that, Lokee, a Cubs Convention sourced Glenallen Hill BP jersey that was an XL, while game jerseys of the era of his were a size 50 (XXL).

BTW, Lokee, what happened to your avatar? I liked it.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Dave-

I too have seen this, especially when I purchased hundreds of Phillies jerseys directly from the team. For example, Mike Schmidt traditionally wore a size 44 jersey, however, I had a mid 1980's pre-game that was a size 46. Other players had different size pre-games as compared to their regular game jerseys. Likewise, I've seen the same with other teams/players-it's not uncommon.

In regard to Lesters comment, "And I know what I am talking about. For example, in the 2000-2005 era, Bagwell never wore below a size 50 jersey. Yours is a 48, simply too small for Bagwell." Not only have I confirmed him wearing a size 48 with other collectors, Hunt's recently auctioned this Bagwell gamer-note the size 48.

July 14, 2009
712002 Jeff Bagwell auto. Houston Astros professional model alternate jersey and 2000-2001 auto. undershirt. Brick red knit alternate shirt features Astros script lettering on front with player #5 on left breast and on back. Embroidered Astros patch appears on left sleeve. Bagwell's name is stitched on nameplate on back under MLB logo patch on back of collar. Majestic tagging is stitched on front tail with attached flag tag noting size "48". Bagwell has signed the upper left breast in black sharpie. Shirt exhibits solid usage and wash wear. Accompanying black sleeveless undershirt features embroidered Astros logo on front of collar and Bagwell's player #5 embroidered on back below the collar. Majestic tagging inside collar features size "2X". Bagwell has signed the front in faint white marker. Includes LOAs from Hunt Auctions (jersey) and JSA (auto.): EX-MT



Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net