Game ball with "Provenance"
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Man, if that's real it's a beauty ! I'm trying to learn as much about game used footballs as I can. It seems tough to establish their authenticity if they come from a secondary source(like Ebay). I'm hoping this thread will shed new light on this subject. There was just another posting a few days ago i learned a lot from. -
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Just my opinion,
Jim
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jdr3 - You are correct. From 66-69 the NFL used "The Duke" "Thorp" footballs. The labeling on the offered football looks to be late 1970's - 1980's era.
Just my opinion,
Jim
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I've won group lots with one LOA for the entire lot. It was impossible to provide an original LOA for each item, and sometimes I have provided copies. However, if there was question, I would have no trouble proving I was the original winner of the auction lot, as I could show the receipt or have the auction house verify I was indeed the winner.Comment
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If the LOA covers a lot, then I would have no issue.
His LOA is written for a single item, and the item listed is not from the timeframe the player was in the NFL. I have pointed this fact out to the seller, he has not responded.Comment
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I think this is the auction the football originated from. You guys decide.
Jim
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I think this is the auction the football originated from. You guys decide.
Jim
http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/ima...=179&lot_qual=Comment
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Hunt has always seemed to be a reputable House. This makes me wonder a bit if anyone there actually took the time to research these items and comapare them to the said time frame.
If the earlier comments are true about these balls being from c. 70'-80's and not from c. 60's then there is a lot to be said about about the origin of these.
Why would a player write up a letter and 'authenticate' balls that were obviously not from the era stated?
Or, perhaps, someone at 1 time did get the actual balls along with the letter, keep them for themselves, buy a couple of footballs from a local flea market and use the letter to swindle a couple of bogus balls?
Either way, I would have thought that Hunt may have looked into this a bit. All it takes is a couple of minutes to search pics and stylematch the balls to the said time frame in the letter.
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Can anyone get a good photoshop close-up of the Hunt Listing and see which commissioners name is on the ball in the front - left hand side.
If you could get that name, that will tell the exact time frame these 5 balls are from.Comment
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Looks like we have a match although its a fairly large time frame that he was commissioner. This doesn't say much.......dang it.
Name: Alvin Ray Rozelle
Commissioner: 1960-1989
Born: March 1, 1926
Died: December 6, 1996
Occupations: Public Relations
Inducted in Hall of Fame: 1985Comment
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