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I Wantandre Dawson And I Want Him In As An Expo,both Reasons Are As A Fan And As Acollector!
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Robby Alomar needs to get in. -
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Alomar, Blyleven & Dawson. In that order.
Blyleven should have been inducted years ago. It's a shame.Comment
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Blyleven!!!Rob L
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Rob L's Baseball Memorabilia website: GU Troy Percival, GU Randy Johnson, GU Angels, GU Baseball, 19th Century Baseball and Autographs. Also a huge Game Used Resource page and Game Used Collectors Page: www.loefflerrd.webs.comComment
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Who do I want to go in? Dawson, Blyleven, Alomar, McGriff, and McGwire
Who do I think will make it? Blyleven.sigpic
Always looking for vintage game used bats of Houston Buffs and Colt .45's players.Comment
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In order:
1. Roberto Alomar
2. Barry Larkin
3. Andre Dawson
4. Fred McGriff
5. Jack Morris
I realize that only Alomar is likely to make it this year and that the later two will probably never make it but to me these are the only eligible guys who should be hall of famers and are not. McGwire was a one dimensonal player who's one dimenson was enhanced who knows how much by the steroids and andro he used. Lee Smith, Harold Baines and Bert B. were stat accumulators who were never considered great in their time. Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly, Alan Trammall and Dale Murphy were very good players who just did not have enough great years.Comment
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I would like to see Blyleven and Alomar make itComment
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Now and until the day I pass, I will laugh at the phrase "stat accumulator".
Isn't that what every player does? They accumulate stats over their career. Whether it be 5 yrs or 25 yrs. Some players are gifted enough to amass certain numbers in 15-18 yr careers, while it may take another player 22 years to amass near identical numbers.
What's the difference? Really.
Is Rickey not worthy of 3000 hits because it took him 25 or so years?
Would Biggio had made the HOF without 3000 hits, that took him 18 years to get?
Is Nolan Ryan's 5,714 K's any less impressive even though it took him 27 seasons to amass those? In which he ONLY won 324 games in that same time.
Clemens took 24 seasons to get 354 wins. Does that make Ryan any less of a HOF'er?
The term "stat accumulator" is ridiculous, when used to argue that a payer should not be in the HOF. Stats are stats. You reach a certain number (300 W's, 500 hr's, 3000 hit's) and you are, SHOULD BE, in. No matter how many years it takes you to do it. Period.Comment
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If Barry Larkin doesn't make it in it will be a travesty. Greater than Ozzie Smith!Comment
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I'm primarily a Cub fan, and I watched many of Andre Dawson's years with them. Granted I didn't see his earlier years with the Expos before his knees got bad. but, I look at his numbers and just don't see why he should be in. I think the fact that there are so many guys in the 500 home run club now, and that he didn't come close to that hurts him a lot. Also the fact he did absolutely nothing in the post season and has no WS rings, you have to rely heavily on his stats. Other than his 1987 MVP year, and his early stolen base numbers, nothing really separates him. He was a career .279 hitter, and he never really combined any serious power numbers with those great stolen base totals. Anyways, I'd love for somebody to make a good argument for why he should so emphatically be in. The only two I see that truly deserve to be in are :
>Barry Larkin
>Jack Morris
Both put up great numbers and were on some of the greatest teams of their era !Comment
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The one truly remarkable thing about Dawson I forgot to mention was how he played for years in pain from his knee problems. And he continued to put up very solid numbers. A lot of the time playing on those horrible artificial surfaces of the 80's.Comment
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WOW!! Seriously?? Ozzie was a better defender (one of the all-time greatest) and had more hits (in the same number of seasons) than Larkin. Plus all those stolen bases and World Series rings.
I know you're a Cincy guy so I get it...I am always clamoring for Ted Simmons too (more hits than any other catcher).Scott Harpt
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Larkin/Smith 19 seasons
162 game avgs Larkin .295 avg, Smith .262, HR 15 to 2, RBI 71 to 50
Total career errors Larkin 235, Smith 281
Larkin won MVP, Smith finished 2nd once
Smith had 15 all star games, Larkin 12
Obviously stats don't tell the whole story but we all have to be honest and realize that Smith wasn't the best SS in the game for many of the all star appearances. Larkin never had the flash of Ozzie but was a wonder in the field and revolutionized the position. I can respect an argument either way, but I think the stats support my opinion. Love to hear other thoughts.Comment
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Bert Behome Byleven
Jack Morris.
Bert's a no brainer. I think Jack should get in for his accomplishments combined with his Rings. I think he has 4, and he was a pretty big part of 3/4.
I'd love to see Larkin get in, but I'm not sure he warrants it. Maybe I'm wrong.Comment
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Greg,
You're killing me (especially for a Reds fan
), he compares so much better than so many HOF players and shortstops. The only knock on him is that he missed alot of games due to injuries, but he performed well enough over so many years I can't see any reason he shouldn't be a first ballot HOFer.
Great article by Jayson Stark
But these conversations are why I love sportsComment
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