HOF - Wow

[Rob L]

No Alomar. Blyleven at 74.2%. Jeez. Congrats to the Hawk though!!!

[tjm5711]

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Blyleven will eventually get in. I think his rant, wining about not getting in a year or so ago didn't help him get in any sooner.

[ahuff]

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But his vote numbers went up this year. So I would say perhaps the rant helped him out. Before that, nobody cared that he was 5th All Time in K's (and two of the guys ahead of him just recently retired), was merely 13 wins short of the magical "300", had a career 3.31 ERA, 242 complete games, and he accomplished that on some very pathetic teams.

And as Peter Gammons stated, "Think about the fact that his 15 1-0 wins are the most in the last 50 years, and he had more career shutouts than the American League has had the past 18 seasons."

I personally thought it was a relatively weak class of potential candidates (compared to some of the more recent years that we have had). That being said, I can't believe that only Dawson got in (and that Rice got in last year in another weak year). How can Bert and Roberto not receive more votes than the Hawk? (And that is coming from a Cubbie fan!!!) It leaves me wondering if writers are truly the best for this job.

[byergo]

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It's a discredit to the Hall of Fame that Blyleven has been excluded. His numbers tell the story period.

I think Dawson is deserving. From being a fan way back then I viewed him as a HOF'er. The guy has it all, MVP, ROY, Gold Gloves, lots of clean HR's, RBI's, hit's. Just an all around GREAT player.

Can't say the same about Alomar (he's best known for AIDS and spitting on an ump--very distasteful and lack of respect for the game), or Larkin (2,340 hits?). Hall of Pretty Good, not even close to Hall of Fame.

The HOF just ain't what it used to be. All the "high quality" candidiates moving forward are all known roid cheaters besides maybe Griffey Jr., and the remaining pool is extremely weak. Sad if you ask me.

[BaseballGM]

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Personally, I'm a Robbie supporter and feel disappointed that the writers decided to exact punishment from an incident that both parties have resolved years ago. Heck, Babe Ruth punched an umpire!

[NYCrulesU]

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Congrats to The Hawk.


Here's to Alomar, Baerga, Bagwell, Blyleven J. Franco, Larry Walker and Palmeiro in 2011! Yes, I said it, PALMEIRO! lol I know he has no shot at the HOF as things stand. But hey, a guycan dream can't he?

[Texans]

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It's a discredit to the Hall of Fame that Blyleven has been excluded. His numbers tell the story period.

I think Dawson is deserving. From being a fan way back then I viewed him as a HOF'er. The guy has it all, MVP, ROY, Gold Gloves, lots of clean HR's, RBI's, hit's. Just an all around GREAT player.

Can't say the same about Alomar (he's best known for AIDS and spitting on an ump--very distasteful and lack of respect for the game), or Larkin (2,340 hits?). Hall of Pretty Good, not even close to Hall of Fame.

The HOF just ain't what it used to be. All the "high quality" candidiates moving forward are all known roid cheaters besides maybe Griffey Jr., and the remaining pool is extremely weak. Sad if you ask me.

I didnt know Alomar has AIDS. I just google the story. Wow


Jojo

[NYCrulesU]

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I didnt know Alomar has AIDS. I just google the story. Wow


Jojo

This is a good write up about it. Note the bolded last sentence. Let's not forget that Magic Johnson is considered a Legend and a hero living with HIV, which he contracted by sleeping around. Perception is a funny thing. I support Alomar. Great second baseman. He'll make the HOF next year and I'll be happy for him. If he is sick, I can only hope that he's taking care of himself and lives out the rest of his days as best he can.



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Court records in Brooklyn show that Roberto Alomar's ex-girlfriend has settled the lawsuit she filed against the ex-Mets second baseman in January. Ilya Dall was seeking $15 million in damages for allegations that Alomar had unprotected sex with her after he found out that he had contracted the AIDS virus, but no financial terms of the settlement were announced.
Dall was gunning for this outcome from the first day by loading her lawsuit with embarrassing revelations about Alomar. The allegations ranged from Alomar suffering from erectile dysfunction to his being gang-raped when he was 17, and Dall also made graphic claims about how full blown AIDS was affecting Alomar.
Alomar's lawyer, Charles Bach, called the lawsuit frivolous when it was filed, and wouldn't address whether or not his client had AIDS yesterday.
"He's healthy and he looks great," said Bach. "The matter is over. The plaintiff [Dall] has withdrawn her complaint."
Alomar himself has said he's in "very good health," but has also avoided direct comment on his HIV status. There's no reason that medication, exercise and healthy living wouldn't allow him to be in very good health even if he did have the virus, but there's also no reason why that status should be a matter of public record.

[sox83cubs84]

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I'm as happy as a conservative at the Reagan Ranch for Dawson, now the first (and so far only) HoFer I caught a game home run from (#396). I was surprised that Alomar didn't make it, though...of course, Ryne Sandberg didn't make it the first time out, either. Still, Alomar will get there sooner than later.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[dirtyla2000]

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I love it ,DAWSON IN AND ALOMAR LEFT SPITTING IN THE WIND!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sincityson]

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Now I guess the next question is does the Hawk go in as an Expo or a Cub?

[NYCrulesU]

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I love it ,DAWSON IN AND ALOMAR LEFT SPITTING IN THE WIND!!!!!!!!!!!

Until next year. Perhaps then I'll make as many obnoxious and annoying post about it, as you have about him not getting in Then again, I won't. I try not to be a complete ass on message boards.

[NYCrulesU]

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Now I guess the next question is does the Hawk go in as an Expo or a Cub?

I would like to see him in as a Cub. I'm sure there are a ton of fans that want the opposite.

[jbsportstuff]

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or Larkin (2,340 hits?). Hall of Pretty Good, not even close to Hall of Fame.

Are you serious? Not even close to the hall of fame? WOW...what game have you been watching.

This has been discussed ad nauseum....but I guess we need to do this again...

Batting average .295Home runs 198Hits 2,340Stolen bases 379Teams

• Cincinnati Reds (1986–2004)

Career highlights and awards

• 12x All-Star selection (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004)
• World Series champion (1990)
• 3x Gold Glove Award winner (1994, 1995, 1996)
• 9x Silver Slugger Award winner (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999)
• 1995 NL MVP
• 1993 Roberto Clemente Award
• 1994 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award

Batting average .295Home runs 198Hits 2,340Stolen bases 379Teams

• Cincinnati Reds (1986–2004)

Career highlights and awards

• 12x All-Star selection (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004)
• World Series champion (1990)
• 3x Gold Glove Award winner (1994, 1995, 1996)
• 9x Silver Slugger Award winner (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999)
• 1995 NL MVP
• 1993 Roberto Clemente Award
• 1994 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Career statistics[/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Batting average [/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] .295[/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Home runs [/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] 198[/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Hits [/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] 2,340[/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Stolen bases [/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] 379[/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Teams[/FONT]

• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Cincinnati Reds (1986–2004) [/FONT]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Career highlights and awards[/FONT]

• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']12x All-Star selection (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004) [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']World Series champion (1990) [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']3x Gold Glove Award winner (1994, 1995, 1996) [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']9x Silver Slugger Award winner (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999) [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']1995 NL MVP [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']1993 Roberto Clemente Award [/FONT]
• [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']1994 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award [/FONT]

Nough said

[Nnunnari]

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Alomar, McGriff and McGwire are all HOFers, Larkin and Raines are not. Once Alomar gets in next yr, the first steroid guy will have ben let in the hall and this should hopefully open the door for McGwire in the future.