o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

[tjm5711]

Re: o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

What Revis did against some of the top Receivers in the league is truly amazing. I can't argue for/against either one of these great players. I am surprised the voting wasn't closer. True stats play a huge part in the voting. That huge disparity kind of makes me think there was some kind of bias in the decision.

[ivo610]

Re: o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

Woodson might be the only player to win the heisman and DPOY. Not sure.

But please check out profootballfocus.com, even for other positions it helps any argument you might have in a bar. From JSonline - "Capers used Woodson to play four different positions -- cornerback, nickel back, safety and linebacker during games and he was also used to blanket the opponent's best receiver." And he is the first player to ever 3 Defensive player of the month awards. Revis is younger and will have a great chance to to win one or more in the future. Plus he has the New York media behind him.

I think Peyton should more bitter about Charles winning the heisman than Revis should be about charles winning this award.

[tjm5711]

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I think another problem with the voting is Sharper only getting 3 votes. His numbers were very comparable to Woodson. He had 9 INT's, 71 tackles, 3 TD's, and even a safety. I'm not saying Sharper should have won. But he should have had a better showing in the final tally. He was just as valuable to his team as Woodson, and really helped carry the Saints' defense, which isn't particularly as dominating as the Packers or Jets. This coupled with Revis low vote total suggests a large lack of objectivity in the voting !

[legaleagle92481]

Re: o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

Woodson might be the only player to win the heisman and DPOY. Not sure.

But please check out profootballfocus.com, even for other positions it helps any argument you might have in a bar. From JSonline - "Capers used Woodson to play four different positions -- cornerback, nickel back, safety and linebacker during games and he was also used to blanket the opponent's best receiver." And he is the first player to ever 3 Defensive player of the month awards. Revis is younger and will have a great chance to to win one or more in the future. Plus he has the New York media behind him.

I think Peyton should more bitter about Charles winning the heisman than Revis should be about charles winning this award.

He is the only player to win both as defensive players almost never win the Heisman and he only won it because besides defense he did work on special teams and on offense. As for Revis winning in the future I doubt he or anyone could have the year he had twice and if anything there is an anti-New York bias among the writers. Look how long it took Harry Carson to get to Canton and George Young and Parcells still are not there (The he might coach again argument falls flat as Gibbs coached after being inducted so what is the big deal?). Certain writers also demean Michael Strahan and imply he is less than a hall of famer despite all the sacks, pro bowls, the single season sack record, the DPOY and the fact that unlike most pass rushers he could also play the run and oh yeah the Super Bowl upset over the Patriots that he was a major part of. One writer even tried comparing him with Chris Doleman. Back on point though it is rare for a corner to win at all if you look most of the DPOY awards have gone to linebackers especially lately. (Ray Lewis, Jason Taylor, Brian Urlacher)

[legaleagle92481]

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I think another problem with the voting is Sharper only getting 3 votes. His numbers were very comparable to Woodson. He had 9 INT's, 71 tackles, 3 TD's, and even a safety. I'm not saying Sharper should have won. But he should have had a better showing in the final tally. He was just as valuable to his team as Woodson, and really helped carry the Saints' defense, which isn't particularly as dominating as the Packers or Jets. This coupled with Revis low vote total suggests a large lack of objectivity in the voting !

What it is is each writer gets only one vote. The writers do not watch every game and some likely have not even seen all the candidates play this year at all. They just look at the stats and the highlight clips which favored Woodson over the others and the fact that like the Steelers and Cowboys the Packers are a national team also helped. The Saints have a rep for playing bad D and when people think of them Brees is the first person they think of. For the Vikings Jared Allen was a good candidate but everyone focuses on Farve and Peterson mania. For the Broncos Elvis deserved consideration but the team had a terriable second half and everyone thinks of Dawkins and Champ Bailey before Elvis. The Jets are not even the most popular team in New York and much of the season was consumed by Yankee mania, the Giants falling apart and Sanchez' ups and downs.

[tjm5711]

Re: o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

What it is is each writer gets only one vote. The writers do not watch every game and some likely have not even seen all the candidates play this year at all. They just look at the stats and the highlight clips which favored Woodson over the others and the fact that like the Steelers and Cowboys the Packers are a national team also helped. The Saints have a rep for playing bad D and when people think of them Brees is the first person they think of. For the Vikings Jared Allen was a good candidate but everyone focuses on Farve and Peterson mania. For the Broncos Elvis deserved consideration but the team had a terriable second half and everyone thinks of Dawkins and Champ Bailey before Elvis. The Jets are not even the most popular team in New York and much of the season was consumed by Yankee mania, the Giants falling apart and Sanchez' ups and downs.

Good points about the voters not even seeing any of the play of the candidates. Sort of like the Oscars. The voters don't even have to see all the movies nominated for Best Picture when they vote. Also what you say about voters being swayed by the reputation of the Saints not being a defensive team. Voters are usually swayed by fan hysteria and general public opinion while they are glancing over the stats of candidates. Elvis belonged with the low vote totals due to the Broncos collapse. Jared Allen belongs down there too because he has the Williams brothers eight next to him, and a very solid front 7.

Sharper didn't belong down there with those guys. He had a spectacular year, and was single handedly responsible for a couple of their wins. Like I said, I don't think he deserved to win at all. If the voting was truly objective he should have received many more votes.

I feel your pain on Revis. Alot of the attention was on Sanchez who in my opinion had very little to do with the Jets' overall success. The solid running game and great Defense were the true elements of their current playoff run.
He should have also received many more votes.

[ivo610]

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Jared Allen - two great games doesnt mean you deserve DPOY. Having half your sacks in 2 game is sweet but this is defensive player of the year, not of 2 games.

East Coast Bias - please bring up Harry Carson, and I will counter with Rickey Jackson. Depending on the year Michael Strahan will make the Hall. Not sure who is arguing that he wont. The only debate is 1st ballot or not. And his sack record is about as legit as Bonds's HR record.

Sharper - He missed games this season, which I feel bad for him and all but it takes away from the argument for any recognition of consideration for DPOY. He was also avg in the majority of games. And had 0 Forced Fumbles compared to Woodsons 4 (revis also had 0).

Dumervil - His season wasnt as strong in the 2nd half as the 1st. He also disappeared for games.

Rex Ryan showed his level of class (tempted to bring up his ol man but I wont) today when he trashed the voters for their pick and didnt have the class to give woodson his due. He liked to complain about how great his team was and his team that, but he also failed to mention that they were given a playoff spot. Its hard to be the most popular team when the franchise has been riddled with disappointment throughout its history.

[CollectGU]

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I know playoffs don't count but it is ironic that Woodson got schooled this week while Revis absolutely shut down his side of the field. Woodson is one of reasons the Packers went home while Revis is one of the main reasons the Jets are still playing.....

Dave

[tjm5711]

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I know playoffs don't count but it is ironic that Woodson got schooled this week while Revis absolutely shut down his side of the field. Woodson is one of reasons the Packers went home while Revis is one of the main reasons the Jets are still playing.....

Dave

I kind of hang the Pack's loss more on Aaron Rogers for missing a wide open Greg Jennings on the first play of OT. Of course that Official missing the facemask(on the last play of the game) and the "helmet to helmet" on Rogers the play before the strip can share some blame too. Woodson and everyone else in the Packer D takes a distant second between those two !

[nyjetsfan14]

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He liked to complain about how great his team was and his team that, but he also failed to mention that they were given a playoff spot. Its hard to be the most popular team when the franchise has been riddled with disappointment throughout its history.

Giving up 51 points in a playoff game makes the fan base a little bitter I guess?

[LastingsMilledge85]

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I think you can hang the Packers loss on the defense. Aaron Rodgers played his heart out and did a fabulous job, despite missing Greg Jennings. Aaron isn;t perfect, but he's better than most. Anyway, about Woodson, as a Packer fan I'm really happy for him and does deserve it, but Reevis did have the better season and should have won the award over Woodson. But also as a die hard Packers fan I could careless about these awards because how does it help the team?

[ivo610]

Re: o/t Charles Woodson voted Defensive Player of the Year

I know playoffs don't count but it is ironic that Woodson got schooled this week while Revis absolutely shut down his side of the field. Woodson is one of reasons the Packers went home while Revis is one of the main reasons the Jets are still playing.....

Dave

How did woodson get schooled? Oh because its his job to cover all 5 of Arizonas receivers my bad. Lets forget about the FF too.

[ivo610]

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Giving up 51 points in a playoff game makes the fan base a little bitter I guess?

Is a Jets fan trying to talk some smack? please dont make me respond to this in a serious way. Its like picking on the special needs kids, its just not fair.

[tjm5711]

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How did woodson get schooled? Oh because its his job to cover all 5 of Arizonas receivers my bad. Lets forget about the FF too.

If Woodson is one of the reasons the Packers went home. He's one of eleven. You can blame that whole Packer defense.

[ivo610]

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If Woodson is one of the reasons the Packers went home. He's one of eleven. You can blame that whole Packer defense.

I think its insane to compare the two teams they played this weekend, but what the hell... Cinci is terrible passing team this season with a QB who has something seriously wrong with him(its the only way to explain why he is a shell of his former self), they have 1 good wr, and are a run oriented team. The cards are quarterbacked by the 2nd highest rated post season passer in NFL history. They have 2-3 pro bowl quality wrs and are a pass first team. chad johnson or ocho watever is no fitz and palmer is no warner. glad we got that out of the way.

The award is defensive player of the year not defensive corner of the year.