Game Used - What Percentage Do You Think They Get It Right?

[3arod13]

Game Used - What Percentage Do You Think They Get It Right?

Today, many game used items can be photomatched.

I've always wondered when I see older player (from the 30,' 40',s, 50's, etc.) jerseys, bats, gloves, etc. that have been authenticated, how accurate are they in getting it right.

What do you think?

Regards, Tony

[joelsabi]

Game Used - What Percentage Do You Think They Get It Right?

Today, many game used items can be photomatched.

I've always wondered when I see older player (from the 30,' 40',s, 50's, etc.) jerseys, bats, gloves, etc. that have been authenticated, how accurate are they in getting it right.

What do you think?

Regards, Tony

Not sure on the percentage. For collectors its all about the source and the company records on old stuff.

HB Bat have good records and bat with side writing are good bets. HB bats without side writing but display player charateristics and come from a good source are good bets. Items coming from the Halper Collection would be a good bet. There have been at least one case where a game used fielding glove from Halpers collection was shown not to be from the time period perported to be from so its not 100%. I would only buy a Clemente game used item that came from the Halper collection or provenance directly from the Clemente family.

Our hobby is based on trustworthyness of the source. Once that trust is breached, it is tough. Someone could do their own research but it would be tough. There are archives of old players photos somewhere out there, maybe at the HOF. There are old baseball cards.

Surprisingly there are many photo of players in the 60s, 70s 80s on Gettys. Theres a Gettys photo of Frank Chance of the Cubs that looks similar to the jersey that has been auction previously on sothebys. Even Honus Wagner has photos on Gettys. You can study labels if there are samples available.
Vintage Jerseys I would be weary to purchase until I research the offerings by Mitchell and Ness.

But in the end, imho I think the purchaser of vintage will buy based on the comfort level of the source and the provenance they provide.

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[Manram]

My guess is 50%. I think they get usually half of the vintage bats they authenticate right

[otismalibu]

I'd bet there are quite a few people out there with elegantly framed bogus pieces that they show to all their guests.

It's to the point where it barely matters if the piece is legit or not. If one can acquire 'paperwork' on it, then it is what is says. I've seen people on this board discuss how to display their COA. Why would you display a piece of paper? Because that's what gives it value.

You see it all the time. Jersey purchased thru one venue, is immediately sold at another for substantially more money...because it now has a letter.

[joelsabi]

is it safe to say that without the Halper collection and HB Bat Company vault sale, there would not be a supply of vintage material for the hobby? what percentage of the hobby material comes from these two sources? i would think a large percentage. anyone know?

[joelsabi]

My guess is 50%. I think they get usually half of the vintage bats they authenticate right

whether its an authentic bat cant be disputed, but whether it was used by a certain player and not a teammate would be difficult the hard call. some bat traits fade over time. anyone ever see a ball mark on a ruth bat? isnt that why the side written HB bats go for such a lot of money?

[joelsabi]

My question is how large are the exemplar files of third party authenticators for pre-1950's jerseys.

[legaleagle92481]

is it safe to say that without the Halper collection and HB Bat Company vault sale, there would not be a supply of vintage material for the hobby? what percentage of the hobby material comes from these two sources? i would think a large percentage. anyone know?

Joel,

Read the thread on the Pete Rose 4,000 hit jersey. There is a scary link in there to an article about the Halper collection and how some of his hallmark stuff is fake including the Joe Jackson jersey, the Ruth Red Sox jersey and some others.

[joelsabi]

Joel,

Read the thread on the Pete Rose 4,000 hit jersey. There is a scary link in there to an article about the Halper collection and how some of his hallmark stuff is fake including the Joe Jackson jersey, the Ruth Red Sox jersey and some others.

It wasn't 100% for Halper before that scary link. I mentioned a game used fielding glove from Halpers collection in this thread earlier. Many of the modern era jerseys in his collection came directly from the player but yes i wonder about the availability of exemplars to compare tags from this pre-war era. Thats why I asked the question about the amount of exemplars in third party authenticators disposal. Halper apparently trusted his sources for his pre-era jerseys but what homework would he have done to compare it to other pre-era jerseys if there are no other jerseys to compare it to.
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