I have always found Steiner and JO (and many other businesses in the hobby) to be very open to offers. I have never paid the listed/advertised price for an item from either of these businesses. It never hurts to make an offer -- the worst that can happen is the business/dealer says "no thanks." More typically, you will receive a "yes" or a counter-offer. In the current economy, I have been particularly impressed by a lot of the deals that can be negotiated.