Arod hits number 600

[ahuff]

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I forgot to add....


I think the strongest words used were contempt and cheater. They may be harsh words, but they are the truth. Contempt simply means "lack of respect" and cheater is "someone who leads you to believe something that is not true".

Alex did cheat and he admitted it. His admission doesn't take the misdeeds away. It simply acknowledges them and we all try our best to move on. Fnazxc0114 has lost respect for him, as many of us have.

Again, where is the hate?

[trsent]

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Sorry, all I see in the discussions as "hate" because players used drugs that the sport basically allowed and overlooked for many years. You can feel it is "contempt", I just read it to be "hate".

Is that all that can be countered for my arguments?

There are quite a few issues here, and for everyone who wants to punish those who have been caught or those who were honest and admitted their use, I say hogwash - Those who were not caught are still out there and may never be caught.

Just like punishing Roger Maris is 1961 for getting to play some extra games as society did back then, or those who felt Hank Aaron's skin color didn't make his record just - This era was bad for baseball, but move on and stop worrying about it. The records will stand, and some people will complain about it but life will go on and unless Major League Baseball punishes themselves for allowing this era to continue for years after the found out about the abuses, then nothing will happen.

I asked The Chicago White Sox to refund me for tickets from 1994 when they canceled the season. My argument was that even though I went to the games in 1994, since there was no post season there was no reason I should have wasted my time going to games when the promise of playing for the chance to play in the post season was taken from me.

They told me sorry, have a nice day.

This is how we should look at the Steroid era of baseball. Move on, enjoy the games or find a better sport to watch (hockey?). Complaining about it every time someone hits a milestone is just old now. The whole sport was using these drugs for a 15-20 year period. Everyone knew it was going on from the fans to upper management to the US Government. No one did anything about it until they realized these drugs have bad long term effects.

If they were healthy to use, athletes would still be using them today and they would be legalized.

Go figure!

[cjw]

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Move on, enjoy the games or find a better sport to watch (hockey?).

While I don't agree with the assumption that hockey might be a better sport to watch than baseball (despite being a Canadian..sacrilegous, I know) I agree with the above.

MLB Baseball, like the movie industry of Hollywood is an entertainment business...pure and simple.

Home runs like CGI-generated tsunamis are entertainment. Enjoy them or spend your money elsewhere.

[Fnazxc0114]

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trsent do you view arod as a victim?

[ahuff]

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Sorry, all I see in the discussions as "hate" because players used drugs that the sport basically allowed and overlooked for many years. You can feel it is "contempt", I just read it to be "hate".

Is that all that can be countered for my arguments?

There are quite a few issues here, and for everyone who wants to punish those who have been caught or those who were honest and admitted their use, I say hogwash - Those who were not caught are still out there and may never be caught.

Just like punishing Roger Maris is 1961 for getting to play some extra games as society did back then, or those who felt Hank Aaron's skin color didn't make his record just - This era was bad for baseball, but move on and stop worrying about it. The records will stand, and some people will complain about it but life will go on and unless Major League Baseball punishes themselves for allowing this era to continue for years after the found out about the abuses, then nothing will happen.

I asked The Chicago White Sox to refund me for tickets from 1994 when they canceled the season. My argument was that even though I went to the games in 1994, since there was no post season there was no reason I should have wasted my time going to games when the promise of playing for the chance to play in the post season was taken from me.

They told me sorry, have a nice day.

This is how we should look at the Steroid era of baseball. Move on, enjoy the games or find a better sport to watch (hockey?). Complaining about it every time someone hits a milestone is just old now. The whole sport was using these drugs for a 15-20 year period. Everyone knew it was going on from the fans to upper management to the US Government. No one did anything about it until they realized these drugs have bad long term effects.

If they were healthy to use, athletes would still be using them today and they would be legalized.

Go figure!

Just because you "feel" something doesn't mean that is what a writer implied. Take the people at what they say, period. Be like Fnazxc0114 and if you don't know what was implied than ask. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I think you are adding "intent/hate" to people's comments, and that is just flat out wrong! Is that a correct statement?

This has become a very bizarre rant. I'm checking out of it. Bizarre and crazy indeed.

[sox83cubs84]

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"An A-Bomb....from A-Rod!"

Dave Miedema

[joelsabi]

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Also...it was 3 years ago today that he clubbed #500!

Dave Miedema

Interesting fact.

I think ARods odds are better that he hits #700 into the net over the centerfield wall than him hitting #700 on 8/4/2013. As you all know, #600 was retrieved by the security guard.

The Yankees were prepared to offer the lucky fan who caught the baseball a signed hat, baseball, jersey and bat from ARod and if that wasn't enough, they were prepared to offer a chance to go to lunch with ARod and girlfriend Cameron Diaz. Instead, the security guard retreives the ball, gives it to his supervisor, who gives it to ARod. What does the security guard get for his good deed -- a signed bat, a little less than if it was caught by a fan in the stands and far less than if he had kept it and put it up for auction.

So instead of having a college fund for his daughter, the security guard can tell his daughter that he caught ARod's 600 HR. Can a security guard get fired for not giving up the baseball?

[JasonM33]

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These numbers don't mean anything to most baseball fans. A-Roid could hit 900 home runs and I would yawn and change the channel. I grew up watching the steroid era. Most of my favorite players were using steroids but I'm still able to be honest about the situation. This isn't the old days when these records mattered. The mystique is gone. It's all tainted. It's over. There is no way to pretend that this isn't so. I don't hate Arod. To me, he is a fraud.

[cliffjmp33]

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A lot of places use CSC and they have a solid reputation, so I would think that they would hold their employees to a high standard. I'm sure they met ahead of time and said this could happen, and such and laid out that they can't keep it, especially if the ball landed in a private area. If the security guy doesn't retrieve it, and only Yankee personel have access, the ball gets back to A-ROD that way.

Was a nice gesture though that the security guard did get a bat and all. I'd like to hope that was A-Rod's idea, but who knows?

[nationals2k9]

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My take is, if the voters decide to be selective and ignore the supposed users for the next 5-10-20 years, there will barely be anyone who gets in and the concept of the HOF is changed forever. Can anyone say with 100% certainty that a guy like Pujols has always been 100% clean? I know I cannot! And not to start a fight, but even a gamer like Jeter may have used once upon a time for all we know. He's played on teams with A-Rod, Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi, etc. I'm not accusing or suggesting... just opening up the conversation. Unless you are Albert Pujols or Derek Jeter you technically have no idea.

I just think it's unfortunate that some guys many of us loved for quite a long time (McGwire, Sosa, Bonds... even my guy Manny) are unfarily tainted because they were "caught" in a highly public fashion. As if they were assumed to be witches and brought to the town square to be burned or hanged. I can't help but think Pujols, Cabrera, etc are the ones hiding under the beds hoping not be found and dragged out as well (an odd late night scenario, I know). And then there's the argument that some of these guys didn't own up to their mistakes as we would have preferred. But they're not public speakers, they're baseball players from all over the world.

I'll be done.

[legaleagle92481]

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Interesting fact.

I think ARods odds are better that he hits #700 into the net over the centerfield wall than him hitting #700 on 8/4/2013. As you all know, #600 was retrieved by the security guard.

The Yankees were prepared to offer the lucky fan who caught the baseball a signed hat, baseball, jersey and bat from ARod and if that wasn't enough, they were prepared to offer a chance to go to lunch with ARod and girlfriend Cameron Diaz. Instead, the security guard retreives the ball, gives it to his supervisor, who gives it to ARod. What does the security guard get for his good deed -- a signed bat, a little less than if it was caught by a fan in the stands and far less than if he had kept it and put it up for auction.

So instead of having a college fund for his daughter, the security guard can tell his daughter that he caught ARod's 600 HR. Can a security guard get fired for not giving up the baseball?

not only can he not keep it yanks could sue for it back and win. the ball was obtained in the course of his performing his job so its the yanks ball especially if it was hit into a private area where he would not have had access to but for his job.

[Fnazxc0114]

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sammy sosa bought the bullpen catcher a new cadillac for his 600th home run ball. Doubt arod has the class to do anything that nice, but i could be wrong.

[legaleagle92481]

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sammy sosa bought the bullpen catcher a new cadillac for his 600th home run ball. Doubt arod has the class to do anything that nice, but i could be wrong.

arod is a better guy than he gets credit for. a few years ago in boston he rescued a kid from getting hit by a car and in process risked great bodily harm to himself.

[sox83cubs84]

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not only can he not keep it yanks could sue for it back and win. the ball was obtained in the course of his performing his job so its the yanks ball especially if it was hit into a private area where he would not have had access to but for his job.

Gotta go with you on this one, legaleagle. When Hank Aaron hit what turned out to be his last career MLB home runt, the ball bounced out of the sparsely populated bleachers and back onto the field. The groundskeeper who retrieved it kept it, and didn't give it back to the Brewers (he wanted to give it to Aaron personally). In response, Brewers management fired him AND docked $5 from his final paycheck for the cost of the ball!

Dave Miedema

[joelsabi]

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not only can he not keep it yanks could sue for it back and win. the ball was obtained in the course of his performing his job so its the yanks ball especially if it was hit into a private area where he would not have had access to but for his job.

I was reading an old post on intentional abandonment of the baseball once it goes into the stands. So if the baseball goes anywhere else, such as the bullpen or in this case Monument Park. If it goes into the bullpen, its not property of the catcher or pitcher who got the ball.

Just some hypothetical scenarios i was curious about. If anyone has an opinion, please share.

A) say the security guard retrieves the baseball in Monument Park and tosses the baseball into the stands, who would own the baseball?

B) say the baseball goes into the net in Monument Park but it is close enough for Kyle, who is in the stands, to use a contraption to scoop up the baseball before the Security can get to it, who would own the baseball?

C) say a fan tosses the baseball back onto the field where the right fielder retrieves it, who owns the baseball?

D) if a security guard catches it in the stands, who owns the baseball?