1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

[Tallyman77]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Also please remember that it was in 1992 that the MLB logo first appeared on the back of New Era caps.......this can also play a role in determining the year of early 90's caps that may be in question.

-Walt

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[Tallyman77]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Rob........maybe someone will put together a comprehensive guide to cap collecting and include all of the other manufacturers of caps like Rawlings, Spaulding, Tim McAuliffe, KM Pro, Wilson, Devon, Sports Specialties,, etc. The hobby really needs it as it would provide history and knowledge to those who have caps or want to start collecting them.

-Walt

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[LWMM]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

The first picture (“MLB Tag”) for the 2007, 2008 and 2009 caps is a bit confusing. In the 2007 and 2009 pictures, it says “OFFICIAL ON-FIELD CAP”, while in the 2008 one, it says “ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE”. However, the description (“What changed”) for 2008 says that “Underneath the authentic logo, it says ‘OFFICIAL ON-FIELD CAP'”. Perhaps the 2007 and 2008 MLB Tag pictures got switched around? However, I see no mention anywhere of the tag that says “ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE”.

[joelsabi]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

The first picture (“MLB Tag”) for the 2007, 2008 and 2009 caps is a bit confusing. In the 2007 and 2009 pictures, it says “OFFICIAL ON-FIELD CAP”, while in the 2008 one, it says “ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE”. However, the description (“What changed”) for 2008 says that “Underneath the authentic logo, it says ‘OFFICIAL ON-FIELD CAP'”. Perhaps the 2007 and 2008 MLB Tag pictures got switched around? However, I see no mention anywhere of the tag that says “ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE”.

Updated "What Changed" column.

Photos of the tag from 2007 and 2008 were not interchanged. More sample hats are needed for 2007 thru 2009 as I requested in another thread.

[Tallyman77]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Does anyone out there collect game used caps by companies other than New Era?

-Walt

Evergreen7777@att.net

[erstad-collector]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

I do believe the 2007 and 2008 hats are reversed as I have several Angels hats from those years. I know one of them has a cert from the Angels. I will see what the date is on it. I also don't think they would have one tagline in 2007 and then change it in 2008 and then go back to it in 2009. I will update you with pics when I get a chance.

One other hat I have is 1997 or later since the Angels logo is from 1997-2001 era but it has the 5950 tagging.

[joelsabi]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

I do believe the 2007 and 2008 hats are reversed as I have several Angels hats from those years. I know one of them has a cert from the Angels. I will see what the date is on it. I also don't think they would have one tagline in 2007 and then change it in 2008 and then go back to it in 2009. I will update you with pics when I get a chance.

One other hat I have is 1997 or later since the Angels logo is from 1997-2001 era but it has the 5950 tagging.

its possible. when i delete a row on the spreadsheet the photos in the row are not automativally deleted and the photos move to the next row (why is excel that that?). so it is possible that i manually deleted the wrong photos. i need to look back on the original files now.

it would be great to get more samples.

[Ollie]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

In case this is on any help.

2009 GU Yankees Cap

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[joelsabi]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

updated 2007, 2008 and new 2010 (thanks to member Hiramman)

The past 2007 sample were from special 2008 9/11 Yankee hats. (see Mariano cap photo) That was a special cap so I deleted the row from the worksheet but the image moved to the next row on the spreadsheet and I did not catch it. (why does excel work that way). Luckily I keep each draft and rename them and of course keep all the original photos I use in the worksheet.

[Tallyman77]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Great work guys concerning the New Era Co..........hope someone will do the same for cap companies like Sports Specialties, Wilson, KM Pro, etc. The hobby is long overdue for this knowledge.

-Walt

Evergreen7777@att.net

[erstad-collector]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Sorry it took me so long to get to taking a pic of this. This is a Howie Kendrick game-used cap I purchased at an auction from the Angels. The letter is dated from February 2008. I believe this cap is game-used from the 2007 season. Check out the photos:

[Insomniac186]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Hey everyone this is Paul, author of the Ballcap Blog. I've got a new tag for you to add to the chart. This tag is from the early to mid 1950s.

[xpress34]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Does anyone know WHEN New Era started making 'Cooperstown Collection' or 'Throwback' hats?

This might throw a monkey wrench into the works, but I just picked up a New Era with tagging that matches on the chart to the PRE 1983, but NOT to the 1950 one listed but the hat is a 1940-1945 style St Louis Browns:









Did the Orioles ever do a Turn Back the Clock style using St Louis Browns?

The wool looks right for the age - including 'rust' type spots that I have seen on vintage wool jerseys but not on newer wool caps. Also, the piping down the crown seams isn't perfectly centered and the vent grommets aren't perfectly stitched like you see in newer and throwback style caps.

Thoughts???

All the best -

Smitty

[xpress34]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Rob........maybe someone will put together a comprehensive guide to cap collecting and include all of the other manufacturers of caps like Rawlings, Spaulding, Tim McAuliffe, KM Pro, Wilson, Devon, Sports Specialties,, etc. The hobby really needs it as it would provide history and knowledge to those who have caps or want to start collecting them.

-Walt

Evergreen7777@att.net

Walt -

I had mentioned in a previous thread sometime back that research has shown (and New Era mentions it in the timeline on their site) that they actually made most ALL of th ehats and were doing Private Labeling for Wilson, McAullife, etc.

I am actually trying to get time to sit down with an usher from Coors Field that I know - Herb Shankman. Herb was a Minor League pitcher with the Boston Braves organization and knew Spahn and Sain and at Rockies Fest we got to talking and he personally knew Tim McAuliffe and said he would sit down with me so I could pick his brain and record his 'oral history' of what he remembers about McAuliffe and KM Pro and such...

I hope this materializes! Not just for the info, but Herb also said he still has his minor league pants that were handed down to him - one pair was Alvin Darks and one pair was Warren Spahns - and that he has Johnny Sain's 1948 Boston Braves jersey!!!

If I get to see it all, I will be photographing the hell out it!!!

All the best -

Smitty

[sox83cubs84]

Re: 1983 to 2009 New Era Hat Tagging Primer

Does anyone know WHEN New Era started making 'Cooperstown Collection' or 'Throwback' hats?

Smitty:

One possible explanation:

In 1964, the Cardinals held a 20th Anniversary Old-Timers Game feturing players, and retro uniforms, of the 1944 World Series opponents...the Cardinals and the St. Louis Browns. Being a 1940-45 style uniforms, maybe the cap was made for that...?

Dave Miedema

This might throw a monkey wrench into the works, but I just picked up a New Era with tagging that matches on the chart to the PRE 1983, but NOT to the 1950 one listed but the hat is a 1940-1945 style St Louis Browns:









Did the Orioles ever do a Turn Back the Clock style using St Louis Browns?

The wool looks right for the age - including 'rust' type spots that I have seen on vintage wool jerseys but not on newer wool caps. Also, the piping down the crown seams isn't perfectly centered and the vent grommets aren't perfectly stitched like you see in newer and throwback style caps.

Thoughts???

All the best -

Smitty

!!