From another post, I thought it would be interesting to look at if carl Crawford is a Hall of Fame caliber player. While probably not a first ballot HOF'er, in my mind, I think it will be a no brainer that he is.
Often, I think it is a bad arguement to say that a certain player is better than the worst guy in the HOF. I personally think Don matting is a HOF, but he will never get in and I could pull up arguements for that player. Crawford on the other hand really sticks out to me.
I think if CC gets to 3,000 hits, wins 1 world series, and gets to 810 steals (to put in top 5 all time) it will be very hard to deny him. That along with no steroid issues and if he stays clean from off field problems.
To get to these numebrs CC would have to do the following over the next decade (he will only be 38 years old at that time too)....
Right now averages 177 hits in a full season, He will need to average 152 hits to get to 3,000 - I think that is very reasonable.
He will end up with around 250-300 career homeruns. That would put him at least 20 more than Paul Molitor. Rickey Henderson has 297 Home runs, 300 would be a major number for this type of player. He will have to hit his regualr mid-to Upper Teens in annual HR's do hit 300.
He currently has 105 career Triples, Next year he should pass Paul Molitor's career total. Rickey Henderson has only 66 career triples. Borderline HOF'er Craig Biggio has in the mid 50's.
CC has currently 4 All Star Appearances. Paul Molitor has 7, Biggio has 7, Rickey Henderson has 10. CC will probably have 7-10 by the end of his career. 10 would be huge for him.
Stolen Bases. His numbers should stick out in an area where the stolen base has goneaway. With that, the stolen base has lost some value though... CC averages about 48-50 per full season. He will pass Biggio next season and in 3 years will likely pass Molitor. To get to top 5 all time in steals he will need to average EXACTLY 40 pers season for the next decade. As he gets older this will be tougher to get to, but if he plays until he is 41, it should not be a problem at all, of coarse baring missing an entire season with injury. The top 4 in steals are all in the HOF.
He has a .296 career BA, he'll probably end up conservatively speaking around .288 or better. Not GREAT, but I do not think it will greatly damage him.
With Boston, he has a shot year in and year out to win a world series, shouldn't be held against him if he doesn't win one. But it will greatly help as it did for Kirby Puckett.
Curious on which cases you can see that will hurt Crawford. Obiviously switching teams mid career makes him lose his identity with 1 certain team. For example: Fred McGriff. If McGriff would have played 18 years with toronto, he would have a much better chance of getting in the HOF, I am not sure which team is "Fred's team." If Kirby Puckett or Ryne Sandberg would have played for 5-6 teams, I do not think they would have gotten in the HOF.
Often, I think it is a bad arguement to say that a certain player is better than the worst guy in the HOF. I personally think Don matting is a HOF, but he will never get in and I could pull up arguements for that player. Crawford on the other hand really sticks out to me.
I think if CC gets to 3,000 hits, wins 1 world series, and gets to 810 steals (to put in top 5 all time) it will be very hard to deny him. That along with no steroid issues and if he stays clean from off field problems.
To get to these numebrs CC would have to do the following over the next decade (he will only be 38 years old at that time too)....
Right now averages 177 hits in a full season, He will need to average 152 hits to get to 3,000 - I think that is very reasonable.
He will end up with around 250-300 career homeruns. That would put him at least 20 more than Paul Molitor. Rickey Henderson has 297 Home runs, 300 would be a major number for this type of player. He will have to hit his regualr mid-to Upper Teens in annual HR's do hit 300.
He currently has 105 career Triples, Next year he should pass Paul Molitor's career total. Rickey Henderson has only 66 career triples. Borderline HOF'er Craig Biggio has in the mid 50's.
CC has currently 4 All Star Appearances. Paul Molitor has 7, Biggio has 7, Rickey Henderson has 10. CC will probably have 7-10 by the end of his career. 10 would be huge for him.
Stolen Bases. His numbers should stick out in an area where the stolen base has goneaway. With that, the stolen base has lost some value though... CC averages about 48-50 per full season. He will pass Biggio next season and in 3 years will likely pass Molitor. To get to top 5 all time in steals he will need to average EXACTLY 40 pers season for the next decade. As he gets older this will be tougher to get to, but if he plays until he is 41, it should not be a problem at all, of coarse baring missing an entire season with injury. The top 4 in steals are all in the HOF.
He has a .296 career BA, he'll probably end up conservatively speaking around .288 or better. Not GREAT, but I do not think it will greatly damage him.
With Boston, he has a shot year in and year out to win a world series, shouldn't be held against him if he doesn't win one. But it will greatly help as it did for Kirby Puckett.
Curious on which cases you can see that will hurt Crawford. Obiviously switching teams mid career makes him lose his identity with 1 certain team. For example: Fred McGriff. If McGriff would have played 18 years with toronto, he would have a much better chance of getting in the HOF, I am not sure which team is "Fred's team." If Kirby Puckett or Ryne Sandberg would have played for 5-6 teams, I do not think they would have gotten in the HOF.
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