ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance

[ryant7]

To add to this thread I sold this guy a Zack Cozart game used Bats jersey and bat. The bats jersey showed a ton of use with dirt all down the front of it.... what does this guy do you ask ? Washes the jersey and relists it. People amaze me. Just saying.

[LostExpo]

i have heard from more than 1 person that thesofasurfer does not always sell legitimate stuff....... aside from that he used to have a myspace page where he basically admitted to buying blanks and sewing embroidered patches, numbers and letters on himself........

[rdeversole]

You guys have talked about this guy enough that I decided to look into it myself. Trolling through ebay feedback does wonders!

I've found 3-4 interesting examples. I'll put the item purchased by him first and then how it looks when he resells it second. I think you'll have to be logged into ebay to view the ended auction links.

EXAMPLE 1
Blank Diamondbacks Jersey Purchased June 1 Size 48 Used
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150610476923#ht_619wt_1351

Turned into a Williams Authentic – Size 48 New
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Williams-98-...#ht_674wt_1351


EXAMPLE 2
Blank Pirates Jersey Purchased May 27 Size 40 Used
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350466451505#ht_692wt_1351

Turned into a Bonds Authentic – Size 40 New
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bonds-Pittsb...#ht_500wt_1366


EXAMPLE 3
Blank Blue Jays Jersey Purchased May 23 Size 52 New
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370510981643#ht_500wt_1132

Turned into a Baustista Authentic – Size 52 New
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bautista-201...9#ht_500wt_1366

Can anybody say CUSTOMIZER?

[Number13]

I love his $1000 guarantee!!!! Makes him look legit and have some good standing. Unfortunately, most won't really know. I wonder is he has ever had to pay the guarantee. I wish I had money to blow and try to test his so called guarantee.

[ChuckFoPrez]

There's nothing wrong w/ customizing blanks and whatnot, it's just don't customize stuff and put them for sale as game worn or game used. You can say Pro Cut, Issued, etc. Just not used.

[LostExpo]

no there is nothin wrong with it at all....... a lot of people know on here i plan on sewing on an authentic 1998 30th ann. Expos patch on my 2001 grey vlad guerrero....... if i was ever to sell it (which would never happen) i would just tell the buyer what i did and why..........BUT the only thing i am kinda iffy about is adding patches that were never on that exact style jersey, if yah know what i mean

[EurekaDave]

The whole issue of "pro-cut," "Issued," etc. is a can of worms in itself. Such terms imply that some official entity produced the jersey.

I once asked a seller what was meant by "issued." He said it could have been worn by a player for team photos. You just have to be so, so careful these days because the language is ambiguous, and probably intended to be so.

Dave Silverbrand

[jbsportstuff]

Just recently this same seller listed an Aroldis Chapman jersey as an Aroldis game used away bats jersey 2010. You had to look in the description to see this wording, but it was clearly there. I knew it was fake because there was only one away Chapman Bats jersey and I know who owns it.

He has re-listed the item taking off the claim that it was actually worn by Aroldis or even game used at all.

I have major issues with anyone who pulls this kind of nonsense.

[gingi79]

I once asked a seller what was meant by "issued." He said it could have been worn by a player for team photos.
Dave Silverbrand

The worst part Dave is that if he knew it was worn in a photoshoot, it would be listed as Game Worn or Game Used.

MeiGray taught me a lot about game worns and so I'll pass along a quick story. They authenticated 5 sets of jerseys for an All Star game. One was worn for the Warmup, one for period 1, one for period 2, one for period 3 and one for the photoshoot/publicity. MeiGray's documents list it as "Photocall" or "Publicity Used" They do this in part so that a Sid Crosby fan doesn't drop $20k on a MeiGray registered "game worn All Star jersey" that he sweated in while he was being interviewed and then took off and handed to Barry. The tag sewn in has a number and you can go to the website, enter the number, viola! details.

[ziggy]

just did a search on thesofasurfer ebay activity....he just picked up some blank cleveland indians issued jerseys