Gary Carter 86 WS game used jersey at the Mets HOF

[gingi79]

Completely unacceptable. I started a whole thread on photomatching becoming the only acceptable form of authentication and here we have a sports team displaying a jersey that is not what it is proported to be and a definitive non-match to the real one.

Dave is most likely a long time Mets fan and disproving it must have taken him entire MINUTES of his life. It's too bad he was more concerned with getting it right than making it look good for the public or the team might have been forced to actually show the jersey he wore versus an obviously NOT WORN WS jersey.

Look I don't like the Mets but with all they have put their poor fans through since 2000, I'd expect more from them. And I do have a theory.


If I could just throw out a hair brained cynical response. Is it possible they did it on purpose? Like, could ownership be in a logical dire fear of the financial hammer that may fall, claim it as the motivation for purposely putting the replica there as the claimed real deal? If the IRS cleans them out to recoup loses and consider the Carter (the only HOFer and the Mets best ever season) at market value, they could keep the real one and get paid for the fake? Sure we are talking about millions of dollars versus thousands but every little bit helps!

Queens is a cesspool at times as well. Fear of theft?

Carter loans it out of fear he never sees it again and fakes the GU inscription?


No matter what, another ugly mark on the team. I said it before but it bears repeating. Jerseys, helmets, gloves and bats without photomatches will one day have so many perceived red flags that even if they are real, they will be treated like store bought replicas without it.

[metsbats]

Just a word on the Mets HOF and how items are obtained for display. The majority of the items on display are loaned from 1) the players themselves, 2) the Baseball Hall of Fame, 3) the Mets 4) private collectors. The Carter jersey on display is on loan from a private collector.

The Mets like most teams do not have an authentication expert on staff and often rely on information from collectors like ourselves. Prior to the opening of the Mets HOF this year Nick (tnt_toys) and a group of us were at Citi Field and he spotted a Carter jersey proported used in 1986 which had the NOB without the nameplate (a Goodman with proper tagging too!). The Mets notified the private collector of the issue and returned the jersey to him.

Unfortunately this jersey was the replacement jersey for that one and it fell under the radar. So the Mets have no bad intentions here nor do they plan or want to display unauthentic items at the HOF musuem.

I've notified the Mets via email last night and certainly hope they will take some action to notify the private collector.

I feel more badly for the collector who sunk down a massive amount of $$ thinking this jersey was game worn in the 86 WS.

I am also baffled once again by the inscription that Gary Carter put on this jersy indicating it was worn in the 86 WS when photographic evidence proves otherwise.

Like I said previously this the third case of an 86 Met inscribing game used or implying game use on a bat or jersey when it really was not.

A disturbing trend.

[jbsportstuff]

Completely unacceptable. I started a whole thread on photomatching becoming the only acceptable form of authentication and here we have a sports team displaying a jersey that is not what it is proported to be and a definitive non-match to the real one.

Dave is most likely a long time Mets fan and disproving it must have taken him entire MINUTES of his life. It's too bad he was more concerned with getting it right than making it look good for the public or the team might have been forced to actually show the jersey he wore versus an obviously NOT WORN WS jersey.

Look I don't like the Mets but with all they have put their poor fans through since 2000, I'd expect more from them. And I do have a theory.


If I could just throw out a hair brained cynical response. Is it possible they did it on purpose? Like, could ownership be in a logical dire fear of the financial hammer that may fall, claim it as the motivation for purposely putting the replica there as the claimed real deal? If the IRS cleans them out to recoup loses and consider the Carter (the only HOFer and the Mets best ever season) at market value, they could keep the real one and get paid for the fake? Sure we are talking about millions of dollars versus thousands but every little bit helps!

Queens is a cesspool at times as well. Fear of theft?

Carter loans it out of fear he never sees it again and fakes the GU inscription?


No matter what, another ugly mark on the team. I said it before but it bears repeating. Jerseys, helmets, gloves and bats without photomatches will one day have so many perceived red flags that even if they are real, they will be treated like store bought replicas without it.

I like photomatching, but how would you photomatch the 1961 Reds jerseys on display at their HOF? How about jerseys before that? I've found it extremely difficult to photomatch anything before the 80's.

Again I do love to photomatch items, but saying that is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE way is just not plausible.

Fortunately the Reds have several experts who can easily authenticate items for their HOF.