6 charged with fraud

[freddiefreeman5]

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....Then im jumping sides and ready to brawl... But until someone on here can tell me just that, then my allegiance lies with them...

Can you be my friend?

[34swtns]

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Matt, tell that antelope/goat/reindeer to pass the effin' popcorn.

There's a herd of sheep flapping their gums and it looks like there's no end in sight.

[AWA85]

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I have purchased a few items from JO and after going back and double checking photo matches (that I found on my own) I thought I would chime in.

When it comes to misrepresentation of items it is not just a once case situation. Just within this thread we have picked up countless situations. In my previous 2 purchases they were all "photomatched" to a wrong date or wrong game. When I asked for the photomatches they found I never was given any photos at all. To me this was a minor error because I actually knew what the items were and what games they were from even though JO had no clue. If your going to put your name behind something in the business world, guarantee it is authentic and market it as game used from a certain game GET IT RIGHT. This is something JO has not been able to do on numerous items and whether it is big or small it is something that needs to be fixed.

Since we are only allowed to reply on this thread if we have purchased from JO, I wanted to share my thoughts.

[ivo610]

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speaking of investigations I wonder how Brett Favre's pilot is doing with his?

[legaleagle92481]

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Fellow Members, i would like to take a quick poll of all the people who commented on this present forum, who have actually purchased a game used item or items from JO Sports co in the past??? +1 I'm trying to figure out who actually reserves the right to comment and make assumptions at will... Just a little experiment, im gonna guess that 75-85% of the negative comments are coming from people that have had zero dealings with JO in the past, and should not be allowed to blast and control the outcome of a companies future, because they have no previous knowledge of the company or its history! People that have the dealt with them, have the right to speak. It's the same unwritten rule as voting, if you didn't vote you don't get to complain about who's in office or why the country is ran the way it is, you waived your right to complain! People that vote can complain all day long, so long as you voted for the loser... I think my request is fair? And if more of you bought then i apologize in advance, i just a have a sneaky suspicion about this one!

roughly 30,000 in purchases in the past year. so pardon me for being pissed at them.

[TriplexXxSports]

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Matt, tell that antelope/goat/reindeer to pass the effin' popcorn.

There's a herd of sheep flapping their gums and it looks like there's no end in sight.

Hey, I can't say anything more, or less, than the next guy. I will wait for the facts before I voice any sort of opinion.

Until then I will just sit back and watch in silence (like a deer eating popcorn)...

[jhunt28]

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So far I have read from someone on the board who bought a jersey from a player who played less than 1 full NFL game, and was refunded their full money.

I have heard from someone who was going to buy the jersey of a kicker, but deemed the jersey to be issued, no worn (sorry, but I'm not sure how to tell the difference from a player who kicks a ball? worn?? issued?? but that's a whole different argument).

And I have read about how someone bought a game used jersey from JO, was able to photomatch it, but photomatch it to a different game than the team told JO that the jersey came from .

Call me crazy...but hardly offenses that would warrant an investigation from the FBI. I would still love to know what the charges are, when they came from, and what the scenario was. I would love to hear about the $20,000 Sanchez jersey that was found to be a fraud. Or the $18,000 Manning jersey that was bogus. Or perhaps the bad Peterson jersey that was doctored up with fake ball marks and hit marks, and sold for $10,000. I know of 2-3 auction houses that continue to sell bogus items, and still carry on business as usual. So the people who have come forward have all brought up great issues, but hardly FBI worthy offenses.

[nycpropain]

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Okay, i just spoke to Rob today and low and behold they had there best day of sales in the history of there existence yesterday, go figure... I would bet that most of the critics on here are not customers of this company, just people who want to join in on the bash parade and keep fueling the fire that has been done countless times on here as in the past? Also, lets talk about jersey's that are misrepresented as game used... Okay so if any of you that have been watching the 9/11 auctions on NFL auctions, do you recall a Marion Barber jersey they were selling as game used? Well guess what, that jersey was misrepresented, because he never even played in that game, and was inactive i believe. So what gives, everyone makes mistakes and cannot be perfect all the time, period! Also, do you realize that there are only 5 employees at J.O? Yes, its true 5.... Which means they can't always be spot on when it comes to calling a jersey game used,worn,or issued. What is the true meaning of game used? With the massive amount of inventory the receive at any one time, they have to go by what the team tells them, do some research and hope for the best. Which is why they can't always keep up with every teams players and make sure this guy is active or this guy is inactive, or this guy wont get in the game today, so an and so forth. Do you know how long that takes, its supply and demand. Do you homework is what this comes down too. If you were to call up Rob and say hey man, i noticed you guys are selling a Barber jersey for x amount of dollars and this guy is inactive, whats the deal? He would respond oh wow, okay let me check it out. And i'm sure he would mark it down, they aren't knowingly listing things as gu that aren't, because like i said, the info on players and teams are public knowledge, whats to hide??? You have to be on your game too, instead of blaming others for the lack of doing ones homework! Everyone makes mistakes, as i know we are all perfect on here? So quick to judge others without all the facts. The facts are that from 08-11 and current, there product has been nothing but top notch. As for the panini thread cards, that's a whole other thing, that was going on before this website and there team affiliation took off, and i cant comment, because i don't know the specifics to that yet.

So thats nice that they had the best sales. Wait till a few weeks and they plead guilty and they have the biggest day in returns.

[nycpropain]

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I have purchased several from JO but I have a feeling the only people who want the other people quiet are people still holding jerseys with COAS until they sell them.

[SkubeBats]

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That day they had there best sale was the end of the auction on their website. Also this was before anyone realy new about all of this. I agree wait until everyone they delt with finds out I bet they get plenty of returns on their items they have sold.

I still don't understand some of you on here. Jarrod was charged in federal court and seems like he has plead out on this case. Am I missing anything here? I didn't think so.

Jarrod is the guy who screwed up his life and his company not anyone else buy himself!!

If you still feel like buying from a known scam artist go ahead. It doesn't matter if it was one jersey or 1,000 jerseys!!

[jhunt28]

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That day they had there best sale was the end of the auction on their website. Also this was before anyone realy new about all of this. I agree wait until everyone they delt with finds out I bet they get plenty of returns on their items they have sold.

I still don't understand some of you on here. Jarrod was charged in federal court and seems like he has plead out on this case. Am I missing anything here? I didn't think so.

Jarrod is the guy who screwed up his life and his company not anyone else buy himself!!

If you still feel like buying from a known scam artist go ahead. It doesn't matter if it was one jersey or 1,000 jerseys!!

I will continue to ask...WHAT did he plead out to? WHAT was the incident(s) that he was involved in? WHO were the counterparties involved? WAS he even directly involved with anything, or was he simply a middle man selling to a card company??

I think until the facts are out, and UNTIL someone can come on this board with some facts, then we should stop crushing JO.

[MarkakisMania]

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So far I have read from someone on the board who bought a jersey from a player who played less than 1 full NFL game, and was refunded their full money.

I have heard from someone who was going to buy the jersey of a kicker, but deemed the jersey to be issued, no worn (sorry, but I'm not sure how to tell the difference from a player who kicks a ball? worn?? issued?? but that's a whole different argument).

And I have read about how someone bought a game used jersey from JO, was able to photomatch it, but photomatch it to a different game than the team told JO that the jersey came from .

Call me crazy...but hardly offenses that would warrant an investigation from the FBI. I would still love to know what the charges are, when they came from, and what the scenario was. I would love to hear about the $20,000 Sanchez jersey that was found to be a fraud. Or the $18,000 Manning jersey that was bogus. Or perhaps the bad Peterson jersey that was doctored up with fake ball marks and hit marks, and sold for $10,000. I know of 2-3 auction houses that continue to sell bogus items, and still carry on business as usual. So the people who have come forward have all brought up great issues, but hardly FBI worthy offenses.

Do you understand that knowingly misrepresenting items and completing a sale is fraudulent? What don't you get about that? Whether it is 1 jersey or 100 or 1000, a crime is a crime. The difference here is you are correct, the FBI won't generally charge someone for 1 random act of fraud. Like SaintsGeaux said, they are looking for patterns.

Here is what is more likely to have occured. Bulk sales to dealers across state lines. Bulk consignments, sales on ebay when the dealer was shown the item or items were fake and totally disregarded the proof and still sold it again the same way as game used. Sales under other names that you aren't aware of such as using straw sellers.

The truth generally comes out in pieces and I agree, its not from randomly selling a game issued as a game used here and there although that shows the type of people you are dealing with in and of itself.

While we absolutely do not know the full story here the fact that this has been a five year investigation by the federal government and they after all that time felt they had enough evidence against said company to seek a federal indictment speaks volumes to me and I think many other members on here. The Feds are not just going to do a five year investigation find one lone act of selling a game issued as game used as one example and charge anybody with a crime. Something, some multiple things had to occur that they felt if they went to trail that they will nail not only JO but the other individuals, entities and companies involved. Make no mistake this is well thought out and the truth will come out.

I just think it is kind of funny that random people are on here just defending these guys like there is simply no possible way they could do any wrongdoing. Are you guys on the payroll as defense attorney's, working for JO, working as their marketing and PR guys or what?

Come on guys we again have seen this stuff play out over and over and over again, it is a broken record in this business. Guys we thought were good took a big hit in the past. It is not the first time, it definitely will not be the last.

As Conboy says, just sit back with your popcorn and watch this whole thing unfold.

Jeb

[SkubeBats]

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It says Jarrod and the other guys were charged by information of mail fraud, which indicates that they worked out plea deals with prosecutors. So I guess they were guilty of something!!

[nycpropain]

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It says Jarrod and the other guys were charged by information of mail fraud, which indicates that they worked out plea deals with prosecutors. So I guess they were guilty of something!!

Yup, unknowing middlemen work with the prosecution to help uncover what happened and help prosecute.

People with stuff to hide and no case cop deals.

[BULBUS]

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Looks like the Giants may have gotten wind of this and canceled or suspended their partnership with JO. JO no longer has all their Giants items on their website. Also, their Giants game worn fan page on facebook is no longer up????