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  1. #61
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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    If what people have discovered is true, then is this statement from Historic Auctions factually correct? Is it truly a third party?

    Historic Auctions was founded in 2005 with a great desire to bring sports fans the products they love directly from the field. It is the start of something very special and was created to offer the best products, while providing the easiest bidding process found. By offering you, the collector, hundreds of game-used items obtained directly from the players, we have tried to take the guesswork out of collecting. Since every item in our auction has been authenticated by a third party, you never need wonder if your latest purchase was authentic. Only offering 100% authentic items is of our utmost priority.

    http://www.historicauctions.com/inde...elp.main&id=94

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    Sorry Not To Put All This In One Post. I Have Nothing Against This Auction House. I Have Bought From Them And Had So-so Experience. But, With All The People Ripping The Up I Cantbelieve Thatnot One Person Mentioned Thederek Lee Jersey From 2005 In The Auction. 1. The Jersey Has A Year Tag In The Bottom Tail, Everyone Knows That Cubs Have Strip Tagging In The Collar. 2. The Best Thing, In 2005 The Cubs Home Jerseys Did "not" Have Names In The Lee Jersey From "2005" It Has The Lee Name On Back. How Did Notone Person Notice This?????
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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    Eric, I need to post a retraction of my comment of the bats from pga-shooter-101 coming from the same address as ASI . I would appreciate it if you can delete it . I have to apologize to any and all . I have seen the address on Cordova before , I bought one bat off ASI when I first started collecting again in 2005 , maybe from the ebay statement or my paypal statement or it was an hallucination ?? I have no problem admitting I was mistaken on the address . I was wrong in not waiting to post before being 100% sure . Anyway I found out I was wrong today I was searching in my attic and found one of the tubes that came from Joseph Harry and the address is in the same neighborhood as Cordova Blvd NE (even ends with Blvd NE) , but is different . I looked before a few weeks ago and did not find the tube . I save the round cardboard shipping tubes (w/the plastic end caps) that I receive with bats I buy . I have close to 10 of them saved up there . I guess I owe one more apology to all and should say something nice about ASI , the bat I did buy is very nice , and as advertised. I have shown it my friend Ryan and he says its good !! I believe Ryan is a GUU member and has a big collection of bats .

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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    friends, romans, countrymen..

    in the past week i've received 2 emails. 1 from historic auctions and 1 from asi.

    if there was any lingering doubt regarding asi/brad wells' current substantial involvement with historic auctions (beyond simply "authenticating"), i present you with the following info:

    the historic auctions email:

    Originating IP: 82.165.235.192
    Received from: 82.165.235.192 (EHLO gulftobaytrading.com)

    the brad wells/asi email:

    Originating IP: 82.165.235.192
    Received from: 82.165.235.192 (EHLO gulftobaytrading.com)

    asi/brad's email ended off with "god bless". it was nice to get a little piece of bernie in the whole mix as well.

    rudy.

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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    [QUOTE=kingjammy24;21867]here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

    GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

    GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

    GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

    GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

    GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

    GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

    UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

    UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

    UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

    UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

    GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

    UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

    UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

    GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

    GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

    GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

    GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

    GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

    UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

    goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

    incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

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    To whom it may concern:

    I am a long time collector and very new to game used universe. I have enjoyed reading about ASI and Historic Auctions. It's great to see everyone pool their resources and information together to keep the business side of collecting as honest as possible. That said, and I'm sure I'm not the first to write in about this (this is my first posting), but all the discussion about Historic Auctions led me to check out what game used jerseys were available for sale in their current auction.

    On 9-25-06, "kingjammy24" wrote up this list of UN-USED or GAME ISSUED JERSEYS purchased on ebay by turtlegrrl18, who forum member "kyledane" has linked that ebay user id to James Brown.

    Also on 9-25-06, forum member "sylbry" posted a comment to "be on the lookout for these (unused/game issued jerseys purchased by turtlegrrl18) in the next historic auction."

    Well, Historic Auctions just ended an auction today, 12-15-06, and some of the items sold as "Game Used" bear a striking resemblence to the "un-used" or "game issued" jerseys purchased just a few months ago.

    it appears as though some of these (NINE, to be exact) unused or game issued jerseys have literally "gone thru the wash" and ended up a few months later as "Game Used" Jerseys in this most recent Historic Auctions, most have been exclusively authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells." After seeing the example of Brad Wells' certificate of authenticity for Chuck Knoblauch "game used bat", I think this individual's credibility is highly suspect.

    That said, the following is a list of jerseys that were just sold (the auction ended today 12-15-06) as GAME USED by Historic Auctions:

    1. 2003 Roger Clemens Home Jersey $3100.00
    2. 2006 Albert Pujols Away Jersey $2342.56
    3. 2004 Alex Rodriguez Home Jersey $3300.00
    4. 2004 Hideki Matsui Home Jersey $878.46
    5. 2006 Mike Piazza Away Jersey $1210.00
    6. 2006 Jim Edmonds Away Jersey $450.00
    7. 2006 Magglio Ordonez Away Jersey $314.60
    8. 2006 Nomar Garciaparra Away Jersey $700.00
    9. 2006 Scott Rolen Home Jersey $550.00

    The total cost of these nine jerseys is: $12,845.62.

    SIX of the nine jerseys are ONLY authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells", including the Pujols Jersey which sold for over $2300.00.

    The descriptions of the jerseys on the Historic Auctions website include lines like:

    "the bottom left tag is extremely soft and wrinkled due to extensive washing." (A-rod jersey)
    "the wash tag, year tag, size and extra length tags show heavy wear from extensive washing." (Matsui jersey)
    "the inside left of the jersey bears the Majestic 0062 logo, which is wrinkled heavily due to extensive washing." (Pujols Jersey)


    Now, let me be very clear: I am not making any accusations, and there is, of course, the distinct possibility of coincidence.

    But, based on what has been described previously in this forum, I would like to see this discussion continue, as I believe that the claims made here do merit at least further consideration.

    Thank You.

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    Re: historic auctions update?

    [QUOTE=bscott;28093][QUOTE=kingjammy24;21867]here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

    GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

    GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

    GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

    GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

    GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

    GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

    UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

    UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

    UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

    UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

    GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

    UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

    UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

    GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

    GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

    GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

    GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

    GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

    UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

    goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

    incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

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    To whom it may concern:

    I am a long time collector and very new to game used universe. I have enjoyed reading about ASI and Historic Auctions. It's great to see everyone pool their resources and information together to keep the business side of collecting as honest as possible. That said, and I'm sure I'm not the first to write in about this (this is my first posting), but all the discussion about Historic Auctions led me to check out what game used jerseys were available for sale in their current auction.

    On 9-25-06, "kingjammy24" wrote up this list of UN-USED or GAME ISSUED JERSEYS purchased on ebay by turtlegrrl18, who forum member "kyledane" has linked that ebay user id to James Brown.

    Also on 9-25-06, forum member "sylbry" posted a prophetic comment to "be on the lookout for these items in the next historic auction."



    Well, Historic Auctions just ended an auction today, 12-15-06, and some of the items sold as "Game Used" bear a striking resemblence to the "un-used" or "game issued" jerseys purchased just a few months ago.

    It appears as though some of these (nine, to be exact) unused or game issued jerseys may have literally "gone thru the wash" and ended up a few months later as "Game Used" Jerseys in the most recent auction at Historic Auctions. Further, most have been exclusively authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells." After seeing the example of Brad Wells' certificate of authenticity for Chuck Knoblauch "game used bat", I think this individual's credibility is highly suspect. The certification of that bat is a joke and an insult to honest dealers and collectors.

    That said, the following is a list of jerseys that were just sold (the auction ended today 12-15-06) as GAME USED by Historic Auctions:

    1. 2003 Roger Clemens Home Jersey $3100.00
    2. 2006 Albert Pujols Away Jersey $2342.56
    3. 2004 Alex Rodriguez Home Jersey $3300.00
    4. 2004 Hideki Matsui Home Jersey $878.46
    5. 2006 Mike Piazza Away Jersey $1210.00
    6. 2006 Jim Edmonds Away Jersey $450.00
    7. 2006 Magglio Ordonez Away Jersey $314.60
    8. 2006 Nomar Garciaparra Away Jersey $700.00
    9. 2006 Scott Rolen Home Jersey $550.00

    The total cost of these nine jerseys is: $12,845.62.


    SIX of the nine jerseys are ONLY authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells", including the Pujols Jersey which sold for over $2300.00.

    The descriptions of the jerseys on the Historic Auctions website include lines like:

    "the bottom left tag is extremely soft and wrinkled due to extensive washing." (A-rod jersey)
    "the wash tag, year tag, size and extra length tags show heavy wear from extensive washing." (Matsui jersey)
    "the inside left of the jersey bears the Majestic 0062 logo, which is wrinkled heavily due to extensive washing." (Pujols Jersey)


    Now, let me be very clear: I am not making any accusations, and there is, of course, the distinct possibility that this is all coincidental.

    But, based on what has been described previously in this forum, I would like to see this discussion continue, as I believe that the claims made here do, at the very least, merit further consideration.

    If anyone has any new information regarding Historic Auctions and the authenticity of their game used jerseys, please share it.


    Thank You and Happy Holidays to All!

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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    I know I'm rehashing a bit, but this is too much fun!

    to add to the posting which i listed earlier today:

    After cross-referencing the purchases made by the Ebay user ID "turtlegrrl18" with items that sold today in an auction from "historic auctions," you can see three jerseys that may have been purchased as "game issued" in september 2006 and that may have been sold as game used (authenticated by Brad Wells) today!

    The list is:

    1. Scott Rolen Cardinals Home Jersey. Purchased by turtlegrrl18 on August 18th, 2006 on Ebay (item #110026369369). Item purchased as "GAME ISSUED." A Rolen Jersey sold December 15th, 2006, at www.historicauctions.com, as "GAME USED," accompanied by a letter of authenticity from BRAD WELLS.

    Ironically, the jersey was purchased on ebay for $700 was "game issued", and the one sold at historic auctions for $550 was "game used".


    2. Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Away Jersey. Purchased as a "GAME ISSUED" Jersey on August 27, 2006 by ebay user, "turtlegrrl". It is ebay item #110026398287. A 2006 Piazza Away Jersey sold December 15, 2006 as "GAME USED" in an auction at Historic Auctions.

    This Piazza jersey was purchased on ebay for $700. The one at historic auctions sold for $1210.


    3. Albert Pujols Cardinals 2006 Away Jersey. This Jersey was purchased as a "GAME ISSUED" Jersey on August 27th, 2006 on ebay for $1500 by "turtlegrrl". A 2006 Pujols Away Jersey sold on December 15, 2006 as a "GAME USED" Jersey at Historic Auctions for $2342.56.

    This Pujols Jersey was purchased as game issued for $1500. The one sold as game used went for $2342.56.

    Overall, the three "game ISSUED jerseys" were purchased for $2900.
    The three "game USED jerseys" sold for $4102.56.

    A difference of $1202.56.

    Not a lot of money when one considers how much, oh, shall we say, just hypothetically, an attorney charges a client who is brought up on federal charges of fraud and/or larceny by way of deception.

    Just saying that lawyers fees are exorbitant, that's all.



    So, game used universe, what do you think of the correlation between what was purchased just a few months ago and what was sold today?

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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    Looks like the forum had all of this information 3 years before the FBI did.

    Kudos to those that did the leg work
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    Re: ASI / Historic Auctions / Expert Sports Authentication

    Where's kingjammy24 been?

 

 

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