Photomatching JO Jerseys Related Issues

[SaintsGeaux]

34swtns, I think Walter Peyton and most decent people would be disgusted with your stance which comes across as "not my problem, its yours". You have that right to feel that way but your indignant attitude and arrogance is why I believe the dirty dealers prosper and stay in business. You are smarter than the average guy, or so you think that your collection is perfectly photomatched.

Its difficult but not impossible for a corrupt person to fake use on a jersey especially on a football jersey where shoulder pads distort and stretch the jersey. Keep thinking your JO jerseys are so great and remember this when you sell it GUILTY OF FRAUD.

[BU54CB]

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34swtns, I think Walter Peyton and most decent people would be disgusted with your stance which comes across as "not my problem, its yours". You have that right to feel that way but your indignant attitude and arrogance is why I believe the dirty dealers prosper and stay in business. You are smarter than the average guy, or so you think that your collection is perfectly photomatched.

Its difficult but not impossible for a corrupt person to fake use on a jersey especially on a football jersey where shoulder pads distort and stretch the jersey. Keep thinking your JO jerseys are so great and remember this when you sell it GUILTY OF FRAUD.

I'm a decent person, and I am not disgusted at all by 34swtns stance at all, why should I be? If he is satisfied with the items he purchases from JO, then why do you or anyone else for that matter, care one bit? 34swtns isn't spending your money, so it should not matter to you.

I'd also bet my paycheck that 34swtns' entire Bears jersey collection is photomatched without a doubt. I have 5 jerseys from JO and they are all photomatched. You indicate its not too difficult to fake use on a GU jersey, I'd say you don't know much about GU football jerseys and probably don't do much research. I could be wrong, but I'm just going by your statement.

By the way, if you're going to use Walter Payton's name, please spell it correctly.

[SaintsGeaux]

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I'm a decent person, and I am not disgusted at all by 34swtns stance at all, why should I be? If he is satisfied with the items he purchases from JO, then why do you or anyone else for that matter, care one bit? 34swtns isn't spending your money, so it should not matter to you.

I'd also bet my paycheck that 34swtns' entire Bears jersey collection is photomatched without a doubt. I have 5 jerseys from JO and they are all photomatched. You indicate its not too difficult to fake use on a GU jersey, I'd say you don't know much about GU football jerseys and probably don't do much research. I could be wrong, but I'm just going by your statement.

By the way, if you're going to use Walter Payton's name, please spell it correctly.

Do as you want. My feelings are when you support a criminal, you are aiding and abetting their livelihood in that business. When will restitution be made to those who now have lost market value in their JO items?

My apologies for not spelling Mr. Payton's name correctly.

[schubert1970]

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I'm a decent person, and I am not disgusted at all by 34swtns stance at all, why should I be? If he is satisfied with the items he purchases from JO, then why do you or anyone else for that matter, care one bit? 34swtns isn't spending your money, so it should not matter to you.

I'd also bet my paycheck that 34swtns' entire Bears jersey collection is photomatched without a doubt. I have 5 jerseys from JO and they are all photomatched. You indicate its not too difficult to fake use on a GU jersey, I'd say you don't know much about GU football jerseys and probably don't do much research. I could be wrong, but I'm just going by your statement.

By the way, if you're going to use Walter Payton's name, please spell it correctly.

Funny how some of you who own JO items and become defensive and feel the need to defend your collection. If you want to make youself feel better then get therapy instead of trying to justify to the forum how your collection is perfect. The fact is you bought items from a bad company, if you ever want to sell them and don't think this whole debacle hurt the value of your items then you must have Lou Lampson syndrome.

[BU54CB]

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Funny how some of you who own JO items and become defensive and feel the need to defend your collection. If you want to make youself feel better then get therapy instead of trying to justify to the forum how your collection is perfect. The fact is you bought items from a bad company, if you ever want to sell them and don't think this whole debacle hurt the value of your items then you must have Lou Lampson syndrome.

I'm not defensive at all and don't need to defend my collection. I have photo matches and team LOA's, so I feel just fine, no therapy needed.

My items are authentic and can be proven so, why should the value change? Are you also saying that photo matches and team LOA's don't mean anything?

[nickacs]

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I'm not defensive at all and don't need to defend my collection. I have photo matches and team LOA's, so I feel just fine, no therapy needed.

My items are authentic and can be proven so, why should the value change? Are you also saying that photo matches and team LOA's don't mean anything?

Exactly.. Sure I purchased 2 JO game worn jerseys from last season, and both can easily be photomatched to the 2 games the players played in. If I was to sell them right now to an actual memorabilia collector that even knows about the whole JO situation, sure I'm pretty sure I would not get anywhere close to what I paid for them. To the "average Joe" collector, they wouldn't even know. But does it matter? Like we always keep saying, a jersey is worth what someone will pay for it, regardless of where it originated from.

Am I upset at what happened, sure I am! No doubt about it. I'm not defending any actions committed by JOSports in this situation. But I know my jerseys are good and to the 'Saints' guy who keeps saying NFL jerseys are so easy to apply fake grass/dirt stains, sure no doubt about it. BUT, can anyone duplicate the EXACT grass/dirt stains to the EXACT same location and EXACT same color depth, no f-ing way. I don't care who you are, it is impossible. Without actual game photomatching and Getty/AP images to help my jerseys, sure, anything would be possible to fake. However, I feel 100% comfortable that my jerseys are 100% authentic, game worn and I will probably keep them for a very long time and that's all that matters to me

[masp3392]

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Exactly.. Sure I purchased 2 JO game worn jerseys from last season, and both can easily be photomatched to the 2 games the players played in. If I was to sell them right now to an actual memorabilia collector that even knows about the whole JO situation, sure I'm pretty sure I would not get anywhere close to what I paid for them. To the "average Joe" collector, they wouldn't even know. But does it matter? Like we always keep saying, a jersey is worth what someone will pay for it, regardless of where it originated from.

Am I upset at what happened, sure I am! No doubt about it. I'm not defending any actions committed by JOSports in this situation. But I know my jerseys are good and to the 'Saints' guy who keeps saying NFL jerseys are so easy to apply fake grass/dirt stains, sure no doubt about it. BUT, can anyone duplicate the EXACT grass/dirt stains to the EXACT same location and EXACT same color depth, no f-ing way. I don't care who you are, it is impossible. Without actual game photomatching and Getty/AP images to help my jerseys, sure, anything would be possible to fake. However, I feel 100% comfortable that my jerseys are 100% authentic, game worn and I will probably keep them for a very long time and that's all that matters to me

I dont understand how someone can say its easy to duplicate the exact location of hit marks, grass stains, paint from the turf, helmet color transfers, rips, et c.

completely agree with this post

[schubert1970]

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I'm not defensive at all and don't need to defend my collection. I have photo matches and team LOA's, so I feel just fine, no therapy needed.

My items are authentic and can be proven so, why should the value change? Are you also saying that photo matches and team LOA's don't mean anything?

So why do we all need this detailed info about your JO items? If you're happy with them great. It's like you want to prove to the world aside from the JO issues your stuff is good. Who cares? I'm sure there are people who own JO stuff and don't feel the need to explain their collection to everyone on the forum because their confident in what they own unlike others on this thread.

[lakeerie92]

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So why do we all need this detailed info about your JO items? If you're happy with them great. It's like you want to prove to the world aside from the JO issues your stuff is good. Who cares? I'm sure there are people who own JO stuff and don't feel the need to explain their collection to everyone on the forum because their confident in what they own unlike others on this thread.

You should stop posting because all your posts only try to incite reactions and do not help the discussion in any way. I think this thread would be much more constructive without you.

[schubert1970]

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You should stop posting because all your posts only try to incite reactions and do not help the discussion in any way. I think this thread would be much more constructive without you.

You posted this not long ago. So I should stop posting cause you're staying out of this?? Sound a bit hypocritical to me.

"Like I said, I am staying out of all of this, I just looked up the information to see if there was ties. I have owned one JO item I bought through a GUU auction, and don't collect football so I don't care to get involved with this. I definitely think the rest of the information should come out before the baby is thrown out with the bath water. There will be plenty of time to bash (or support) JO when all of the information is out there. I realize there is a lot of info already out, but the details aren't and I am waiting patiently to hear those."

[lakeerie92]

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You posted this not long ago. So I should stop posting cause you're staying out of this?? Sound a bit hypocritical to me.

"Like I said, I am staying out of all of this, I just looked up the information to see if there was ties. I have owned one JO item I bought through a GUU auction, and don't collect football so I don't care to get involved with this. I definitely think the rest of the information should come out before the baby is thrown out with the bath water. There will be plenty of time to bash (or support) JO when all of the information is out there. I realize there is a lot of info already out, but the details aren't and I am waiting patiently to hear those."

I posted that in a previous thread and you clearly tried to look through my previous posts to try and find something to throw in my face. It was a feeble attempt and really doesn't make much sense.

Your post are not constructive and are preventing this thread from staying on topic. Every post you have made has been an attack post and I think the forum is a better place without your comments.

I am in no way in favor of JO and will never buy from them again. I agree with most and disagree with a few, mostly the way 34swtns handled his posts. I can disagree without trying to attack them.

Feel free to search through my previous 600+ posts to try and find something negative to bait me with, but I accept that this forum is a privilege and not a right. Therefore I will not be responding to anything else you post because there is no way it will be constructive to the overall thread.

[BU54CB]

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So why do we all need this detailed info about your JO items? If you're happy with them great. It's like you want to prove to the world aside from the JO issues your stuff is good. Who cares? I'm sure there are people who own JO stuff and don't feel the need to explain their collection to everyone on the forum because their confident in what they own unlike others on this thread.

You've done nothing but make inflamatory comments in this thread not only toward members but toward Chris Cavalier. What exactly are you trying to prove from your high horse?

You commented on a post that wasn't even directed at you, then make dumb comments and expect no response? I didn't purchase my jerseys from JO when they were a "bad company" and I'd keep going but I'd hate to give anyone reading the feeling that I'm defending my collection or giving detailed info about my items.

Why don't you lay off and find a better cause to direct your efforts?

[schubert1970]

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I posted that in a previous thread and you clearly tried to look through my previous posts to try and find something to throw in my face. It was a feeble attempt and really doesn't make much sense.

Your post are not constructive and are preventing this thread from staying on topic. Every post you have made has been an attack post and I think the forum is a better place without your comments.

I am in no way in favor of JO and will never buy from them again. I agree with most and disagree with a few, mostly the way 34swtns handled his posts. I can disagree without trying to attack them.

Feel free to search through my previous 600+ posts to try and find something negative to bait me with, but I accept that this forum is a privilege and not a right. Therefore I will not be responding to anything else you post because there is no way it will be constructive to the overall thread.

The post I quoted is basically the same subject. Since you didn't want to be involved I suggest you stop posting on this subject as you've stated in earlier posts. What gives you the right to tell people to stop posting? You're just bitter because you said one thing and did another on this topic and I called you on it.

Happy Thanksgiving Russ!

[SaintsGeaux]

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You should stop posting because all your posts only try to incite reactions and do not help the discussion in any way. I think this thread would be much more constructive without you.

I see the angle schubert1970 has. If you feel you have a photomatch, great for them. Anyone can claim they have a definitive photomatch. It can be very subjective. Otismalibu made some excellent points on what becomes a big blur. You can find a photomatch on Urlacher and Cutler, good luck on Lance Louis. That's the main issue on the common player. The other issue even on the stars is getting Hi Res photos. I am not fond of Low Res as they really become blurred as you enlarge.

For the doubters, I truly believe I could take a jersey and fake the use on it. Of course it wouldn't be exact because it is a fake. What happens is your eyes can play tricks on you sometimes you see what you want to see. I have a background in reconstructing scenes using modeling. We use CAD and machines that can duplicate in 3D and I would do something similar to take a photo and scale the exact size and then color separate using an altering system. I would cut out screens as if I were painting areas and put the jersey over shoulder pads on a real person and work hit marks and grass stains, chalk, and even synthetic field colors in small areas. Again, it wouldn't be exact but I could get it close. The most difficult part is for receivers and running backs when they get the pebbled ball marks when you are tackled on top of the football. I could replicate that look by cutting out sections of a football in the size and shape of the impact mark and apply the marks with force.

[nycpropain]

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I dont understand how someone can say its easy to duplicate the exact location of hit marks, grass stains, paint from the turf, helmet color transfers, rips, et c.

completely agree with this post

I understand, go grab a white shirt and a hunk of grass and dirt. Its not hard at all.