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Re: Vintage vs Modern Debate
I would have to know the definition of "vintage" as I am sure that various collectors consider different time frames as such. Technically if an item is 20 or more years old it is considered vintage but I have seen vintage also used to describe items that are 7 years or older. To me 7 years seems WAY too short of a time frame for an item to be "vintage"!
As a 49er collector who has a # of different 49er collectors as friends, it is interesting to hear what each one considers vintage.
I have one friend who has 49er gamers from 1946 to 1994 and he considers the 1946-1960s items to be "vintage". I know 2 or 3 other collectors who consider early to mid 1980s jerseys as vintage. They are both correct according to the dictionary!
Teams view their uniforms very differently than they did even 5-10 years ago. Many teams who NEVER sold anything are now selling some items at huge $$$ amounts and are not having a problem selling whatever they list in their pro-shop (Packers for example).
Other like the 49ers have sold their gamers on and off for over 30 years. One of my friends has cancelled checks from 1987, written to the 49ers, for the purchase of GU jerseys.
I consider all of my pre 1990 49er gamers as vintage as, except for a few select players, the majority of players wore 2 home and 2 away shirts the entire season. Also practice shirts were recycled gamers without the nameplate. A player lucky enough to wear #64 or #74 wound up wearing Fred Dean's or Hacksaw Reynolds's gamers as practice shirts.
In fact the 1994 team all wore 1980s and in some cases late 70s gamers, as practice shirts. Ken Norton wore an old Randy Cross gamer in practice for the 2 weeks preceding the SB.
Even though Montana and Rice (to a lesser extent) wore one shirt a game for almost all of 1988-1990, his vintage gamers from those seasons are all but impossible to locate and purchase.
Some of my favorite GU 49er shirts are from 1994. Many are recycled from 1991-1993 and depending on the player, were worn in multiple games. Although, technically, these shirts are not yet "vintage" (I guess I have to wait a couple more years!) they are well made, have good game use, repairs and customizations which imparts the "character" that I love and crave in a GU item. Since the 94 throwbacks were based on the teams 1955 uniforms their is almost a built in vintage quality to them.
I am much more careful with my budget when buying todays gamers. As multiple posters have stated-one shirt from players you like is enough these days. They wear too many and with so many out in the marketplace for sale or being sold that "specialness" is sometimes lost.
I will almost always buy any 49er gamer from 1981-1994 but after that I become much more thrifty and critical in my decision making process.
I think we ALL enjoy seeing the vintage items from baseball, hoops and football.The fact that it is so difficult to acquire makes it even more special!
If anyone wants to sell me a Fred Dean, Russ Francis, Freddie Solomon or a Hacksaw Reynolds feel free to contact me at any time!!! I am always in the mood to expand my "vintage" collection!!!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com
Some vintage gamer images including mid 80s Lott, Fuller, Haley, 1989 Montana, 1994 Hanks uniform with jersey recycled from 1992, 1993 Romo uni worn entire season and a Joe Cribbs 1986 uniform complete with rare 40th Anniversary patch.
I would have to know the definition of "vintage" as I am sure that various collectors consider different time frames as such. Technically if an item is 20 or more years old it is considered vintage but I have seen vintage also used to describe items that are 7 years or older. To me 7 years seems WAY too short of a time frame for an item to be "vintage"!
As a 49er collector who has a # of different 49er collectors as friends, it is interesting to hear what each one considers vintage.
I have one friend who has 49er gamers from 1946 to 1994 and he considers the 1946-1960s items to be "vintage". I know 2 or 3 other collectors who consider early to mid 1980s jerseys as vintage. They are both correct according to the dictionary!
Teams view their uniforms very differently than they did even 5-10 years ago. Many teams who NEVER sold anything are now selling some items at huge $$$ amounts and are not having a problem selling whatever they list in their pro-shop (Packers for example).
Other like the 49ers have sold their gamers on and off for over 30 years. One of my friends has cancelled checks from 1987, written to the 49ers, for the purchase of GU jerseys.
I consider all of my pre 1990 49er gamers as vintage as, except for a few select players, the majority of players wore 2 home and 2 away shirts the entire season. Also practice shirts were recycled gamers without the nameplate. A player lucky enough to wear #64 or #74 wound up wearing Fred Dean's or Hacksaw Reynolds's gamers as practice shirts.
In fact the 1994 team all wore 1980s and in some cases late 70s gamers, as practice shirts. Ken Norton wore an old Randy Cross gamer in practice for the 2 weeks preceding the SB.
Even though Montana and Rice (to a lesser extent) wore one shirt a game for almost all of 1988-1990, his vintage gamers from those seasons are all but impossible to locate and purchase.
Some of my favorite GU 49er shirts are from 1994. Many are recycled from 1991-1993 and depending on the player, were worn in multiple games. Although, technically, these shirts are not yet "vintage" (I guess I have to wait a couple more years!) they are well made, have good game use, repairs and customizations which imparts the "character" that I love and crave in a GU item. Since the 94 throwbacks were based on the teams 1955 uniforms their is almost a built in vintage quality to them.
I am much more careful with my budget when buying todays gamers. As multiple posters have stated-one shirt from players you like is enough these days. They wear too many and with so many out in the marketplace for sale or being sold that "specialness" is sometimes lost.
I will almost always buy any 49er gamer from 1981-1994 but after that I become much more thrifty and critical in my decision making process.
I think we ALL enjoy seeing the vintage items from baseball, hoops and football.The fact that it is so difficult to acquire makes it even more special!
If anyone wants to sell me a Fred Dean, Russ Francis, Freddie Solomon or a Hacksaw Reynolds feel free to contact me at any time!!! I am always in the mood to expand my "vintage" collection!!!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com
Some vintage gamer images including mid 80s Lott, Fuller, Haley, 1989 Montana, 1994 Hanks uniform with jersey recycled from 1992, 1993 Romo uni worn entire season and a Joe Cribbs 1986 uniform complete with rare 40th Anniversary patch.
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