AMI Auction: Dennie Martinez "Rookie"

[ironmanfan]

My reference on the day that Dennis was recalled from Rochester was from the 1977 Baltimore Orioles Media Guide.

[ironmanfan]

Wow (ALMOST MAGICALLY) this auction NOW reads as NOW been worn in 1977 labeled as "ROOKIE ERA" ...does anyone hear 1978 or 1979?

I guess this means that my chances to be in Vic & Kieta's new video have been eliminated????

Of course, I am still waiting for a courtesy of a reply.......

[hblakewolf]

Ironmanfan-
People have noted that the "Major Auction Houses" don't waste their time reading this Forum, and don't reply to posts seeking specific info. about an itme in an auction.

Strange how quickly the description was changed on this jersey after your post.

Remember.......only collectors read this Forum-not the auction houses....think again!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[ironmanfan]

It's hard to believe that I HAVE to do their HOMEWORK for them and that if they only would have changed their listing after contacting them FOUR days ago with the information prior to posting on this forum, no one would have been the wiser, it could have been fixed....Oh well...... To quote Kieta & Vic, "IT DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS........."

Bill
whhp72@yahoo.com

[ironmanfan]

I'm curious as to what proof this jersey was worn in 1977 (particularly since Denny wore # 61 in 1976)? Why wouldn't Denny's # 30 tops be labled as 1977 in 1977???????????? What legwork does AMI show do indicate this?

Bill
whhp72@yahoo.com

[Eric]

Give 'em a call. See what they say. Can't hurt.
Eric

[ironmanfan]

Eric, I gave them adequate time to repond since the 22nd......The pros at AMI only changed their direction after I responded with FACTUAL information this morning on this forum (same FACTUAL information I provided to them the 22nd). I am awaiting their FIRST response to me. I want to hear what they ACTUALLY know about his jersey.

Bill
whhp72@yahoo.com

[sportscentury]

Folks, I don't even know where to begin with this. What a mess. This is beyond embarrassing - it is shameful.

Bill, you left out a couple of major AMI apologists/defenders: Rocco and Dave/CollectGU. Perhaps one or both of them can chime in here to explain this all away. It would take a brilliant magician, though. Ron F.'s recent depiction of the AMI gang blew my mind.

Reid

[kingjammy24]

bill,

there are a few possibilities here.

one possibility is that orioles received a blank spare in 1976 and didn't use it until 1977 when they had it numbered and lettered. in this case, the jersey would be labeled as a 1976 and martinez's name and 1977 number 30 would all be original, unaltered with no ghost stitching. i've seen clubs order spares and not use them until the following year.

the second possibility is, according to ami, that the jersey was carried over from 1976 to 1977. this implies that the jersey was first worn by either holtzman or pagan in 1976 and then given to martinez in 1977. i believe the lack of a nameplate may indicate that, during 1976/77, the orioles weren't fond of re-using jerseys as the lack of a nameplate makes it substantially more difficult to remove nobs. if re-using jerseys was their common practice, then you'd think they'd order jerseys with nameplates.

for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume the orioles re-used jerseys during those years. if the jersey was carried over from holtzman or pagan to martinez, then you'd have to see evidence of a name change. it would be very unlikely to strip off a directly sewn name like holtzman and then affix d.martinez and not be able to see evidence of the prior name. you said that the original seller indicated it was all original and unaltered. if that's the case, then how was the jersey carried over from holtzman/pagan? secondly, the ami description makes no mention of evidence of a name change.

if everything is original and unaltered, then a carryover seems impossible. i think a far more likely explanation is that the jersey was a 1976 blank spare that was lettered and numbered in 1977 when martinez joined the team. that would explain the tag, the number 30, and the fact that everything is original and unaltered.

p.s. i don't think it's realistic to expect kieta to have done this legwork. her "vast hollywood connections" probably keep her overwhelmingly busy.
you don't get an impressive imdb profile like this http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0452662/ by sitting around researching 1976 orioles jerseys.


rudy.

[Eric]

There's another D. Martinez for sale in coach's corner. At first I thought it was the same jersey but this one has a 1979 flag tag

http://www.myccsa.com/piclot.asp?lot=51