View Poll Results: How much does HOF selection mean to you?
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It means a lot to me.
12 63.16% -
It is somewhat relevant to me.
1 5.26% -
It doesn't mean much to me.
4 21.05% -
I couldn't care less.
2 10.53%
Results 11 to 20 of 20
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01-10-2012, 07:24 AM #11
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01-10-2012, 05:13 PM #12
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
Should have been Santo took 30 years. I meant to add something about Bert but somehow switched the names. Mea Culpa
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01-10-2012, 06:41 PM #13
Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
I agree with a lot of things being said, especially you either are or aren't.
I don't think players should have to wait for the second year, i don't think *unproven* steroid use should be a factor, I do believe *proven* steroid use should. I don't think the vote should be "personal" like Mark Simon said on Baseball Today podcast. It's not a personal vote, you are representing the whole baseball community. Don't vote for someone who saved your cousins cat from a tree. Vote for the numbers.
And by proven I mean: 1. The substance you took was illegal, and deemed illegal at the time, and known/published to be illegal 2. you admitted or tested positive to tests for that substance. That's cheating.
Having said that, i can't think of a better way to vote people in. I don't like quotas or tiers of players (Like Bill Simmons has in his Basketball HOF). You can't set arbitrary stat numbers.
Maybe nothing really needs to be fixed? Maybe this is one of the reasons we love baseball so much, because it generates discussion. Everyone has different views and reasons (personal or not).
Mark.
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01-10-2012, 08:18 PM #14
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
Seems like it has turned into not whether you are "worthy" of election but rather whether you are worthy "that year" based on who else is up for election....hence Barry getting in. Voters changing their votes is baffeling.
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01-10-2012, 08:51 PM #15
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
Mazerowski, Rizzuto, Santo , Tony Perez, and guys who were on the ballot for 15+ years who get in on their last shot ???
if they werent a HOF'r in their first few years how are they a hof'r 10-15 years later?
its a sham. Politics and BS. Robbie Alomar was the best 2b for a decade. He was first ballot. Its a complete joke.
would i like mcgwire to get in? sure, but i wont lose sleep if he gets shut out every january.
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01-11-2012, 09:02 AM #16
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
The HOF voting process has become a 'JOKE' ! I give less and less attention, and care less, to the entire affair with each passing year. Sad but true!
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01-15-2012, 11:51 AM #17
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
I think the writers feel they have to elect someone every year. So if a player is at the top of a weak group one year he has a good chance of getting in just because the writers pick someone every year. If there was a real superstar on the ballot they wouldn't get in. I think it would improve the caliber of players in the HOF if the writers took the position that some years that there isn't anyone on the ballot who really qualifies.
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01-17-2012, 05:13 PM #18
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
Has there ever been a year where nobody got in? As others mentioned
it seems like they're pressing every year to get at least one player in. I think
Barry Larkin deserved it but once Santo got in and now talks of Morris,
we're beginning to lower the HOF standards into a gray area that can forever
tarnish what it is to be a true hall of famer. I mean is this because the
whole HOF is a business? I mean a player inducted every year means
tourism, $$ to Cooperstown economy, etc.
Are we going to start labeling certain HOFers into the "they only got in
because there was nobody else?" sub-category? That's not good.
As mentioned countless times even if it takes you few tries maybe because you
were eligible with too many first/second ballot candidates, once
you're in there shouldn't be much debate after wards on whether he
deserved it or not.
Donnie Baseball will forever be my favorite player of all time but
for everybody's sake how long are they going to keep him and other
fringe superstars on the ballot when they simply don't deserve to be in?
In Japan they have two separate Hall of Fames. Players become eligible
to gain membership in the Meikyukai when he reaches a certain milestone
set by the Meikyukai committee. Although not as prestigious as the
getting into the Yakyu Dendo which is the equivalent of the HOF here,
when players reach milestones set forth such as 2,000 hits and 200 wins
its celebrated much more than just a milestone. With longer schedules
and more players in MLB, obviously the those numbers would have to
be changed but I wouldn't mind seeing something similar here where
a player with "not quite HOF #'s but outstanding career #'s" gets
recognition. I'm sure that it will never happen but just saying...
Just as a Yankees fan I can see Bernie Williams, Johnny Damon,
Mattingly, Posada, Mussina, Andy Pettitte in this category.
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01-18-2012, 08:13 AM #19
Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
i will go visit the shrine because i have never been there, plus i want my son
to see it as well. other than that, i don't care for it anymore as there doesn't
seem to be enough talent left to induct. some of the ones inducted in the past few years are because there weren't any others to pick from. not to mention it is all about money.
personally, i would love to see sangy or al oliver in. they had better numbers than some recent inductees.
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01-19-2012, 09:17 PM #20
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Re: Cooperstown: Does it Matter to You?
Agree 100%.
As a Twins fan, I was really annoyed that it took the writers so long to elect Harmon Killebrew. With well over 500 career home runs, everyone knew he was a HOFer, so why didn't they just put him in as soon as he was eligible. Instead, they waited several years, and then elected him. What was the point of that? To embarrass him??
And there wasn't a nicer player around, either. It made me feel bad for him, and for the process.