Montero Traded from Yankees

[yanks12025]

Re: Montero Traded from Yankees

What makes you say montero will be this elite 30+ home run player. I'd rather take the chance on a pitcher then a DH that can be replaced easily. Don't get me wrong, I wanted to keep montero. But I can see this as a huge move.

[5toolplayer]

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Yup you guys are right. Montero is a bum and the Yanks did the right thing by moving him for a pitcher who had a few good weeks. Every FA year the TOP HITTER gets the 180 million contract (Tex) 250 Pujols, 214 Fielder, Werth, Crawford and so on!! I only see LEGIT aces get the big money. CC, Lee, Doc. Very good to good get AJ type money. So this pitching crap doesn't hold water with me. Cardinals had rock solid pitching? Come on man. IMO it was a bad trade. I follow the Yanks and every single move they make. I just don't collect G/U stuff and read about stuff here and there so I do know what i'm talking about. Montero was the best hitting prospect since Jeter and most NY fans are tired of the same old broke down players not getting it done. It was time for a change. And Pineda was not the answer we were looking for.

And b4 you write a long post telling me about greating pitch, look up Cashmans interview about this being the hardest trade he's ever had to do. Middle of the order monsters don't grow on trees or come cheap in trades.

[legaleagle92481]

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Yup you guys are right. Montero is a bum and the Yanks did the right thing by moving him for a pitcher who had a few good weeks. Every FA year the TOP HITTER gets the 180 million contract (Tex) 250 Pujols, 214 Fielder, Werth, Crawford and so on!! I only see LEGIT aces get the big money. CC, Lee, Doc. Very good to good get AJ type money. So this pitching crap doesn't hold water with me. Cardinals had rock solid pitching? Come on man. IMO it was a bad trade. I follow the Yanks and every single move they make. I just don't collect G/U stuff and read about stuff here and there so I do know what i'm talking about. Montero was the best hitting prospect since Jeter and most NY fans are tired of the same old broke down players not getting it done. It was time for a change. And Pineda was not the answer we were looking for.

And b4 you write a long post telling me about greating pitch, look up Cashmans interview about this being the hardest trade he's ever had to do. Middle of the order monsters don't grow on trees or come cheap in trades.

The value of a contract does not determine if something is a good trade or not. Pitchers get less because 1. They only pitch every five days while hitters play every game and 2. They are riskier investments because they tend to get more serious, long lasting injuries as a group than hitters do and 3. Pitchers are less consistent and their performances often vary wildly from year to year. However, pitching does win titles. Look at the last few World Series winners all had at least one ace type pitcher who came up big in the postseason:

2011: Cards: Carpenter
2010: Giants: Timmy L., Cain
2009: Yankees: CC
2008: Phils: Hamels
2007: Red Sox: Beckett, Schilling

Without the pitchers listed above, it is likely that most of those teams would not have won. Will Montero come back to bite them? Who knows but in the past the Yankees have come out on top when trading position guys pretty much everytime: Some killed the Jackson for Granderson trade at the time and for a year after but today how does that look? Granderson is a star and Jackson is a singles hitter.

[yanks12025]

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Yup you guys are right. Montero is a bum and the Yanks did the right thing by moving him for a pitcher who had a few good weeks. Every FA year the TOP HITTER gets the 180 million contract (Tex) 250 Pujols, 214 Fielder, Werth, Crawford and so on!! I only see LEGIT aces get the big money. CC, Lee, Doc. Very good to good get AJ type money. So this pitching crap doesn't hold water with me. Cardinals had rock solid pitching? Come on man. IMO it was a bad trade. I follow the Yanks and every single move they make. I just don't collect G/U stuff and read about stuff here and there so I do know what i'm talking about. Montero was the best hitting prospect since Jeter and most NY fans are tired of the same old broke down players not getting it done. It was time for a change. And Pineda was not the answer we were looking for.

And b4 you write a long post telling me about greating pitch, look up Cashmans interview about this being the hardest trade he's ever had to do. Middle of the order monsters don't grow on trees or come cheap in trades.

Montero only had acouple good weeks also, don't see how it's different then what Pinada did. What if next year Montero hits .200 with 2 home-runs and sent back down. While Pinada wins more that 12 games. I'm guessing you haven't seen that Pinada had the second highest K's per 9 innings this year, he was in front of Verlander.

[gorilla777]

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No, he's right, pitching means nothing. It is truly overvalued and I now see the light. And this pitching crap was not requested!

[yanks12025]

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Also how do we know that Pinada won't become one of those aces. Say he becomes the next Verlander, Timmy or Doc. That would do more good for the team in the long run, then having a power hitting DH.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Montero alot and would have loved to see him play longer for us. But when we need pitching more than a full-time DH right now. So I think it's a good move.

[kesseldawg]

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His game used value has just gone down, as the Yankee mystique adds a TON. So if you just bought his Yankee game used road jersey for 2K (Steiner offered it to me for that), you just saw the value fall. Look at the hit Pujols Cardinals stuff is taking right now. People want what is current. Granted, a Yankees Montero jersey is nice, but if he wins ROY or becomes a big star, it is the pieces from the team he becomes that star with that will be most sought after.

[5toolplayer]

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2011: Cards: Carpenter
2010: Giants: Timmy L., Cain
2009: Yankees: CC
2008: Phils: Hamels
2007: Red Sox: Beckett, Schilling



Yup again you experts on here are correct. Those teams listed above had no GREAT hitters at all. It was all pitching and no hitting. I'm done going back and forth about it. We will see in 5 years what a great trade this was. I along with tons of real yankee fans think this was a bad move. Montero has been followed by true fans for many years in hopes of finally having another young hitter in the lineup that was a homegrown stud. Pineda has done nothing but have few good weeks to start the season then totally tanked to the tune of a 5.12 ERA. I guess young .300 hitters with 30+ Hr power are a dime a dozen. Maybe Miami will trade Stanton to the yankees for Nova. Seems like a good trade considering the numbers Nova put up last year. Sounds pretty stupid huh? Talk to me in 2017 about this same topic. Worst trade in the Cashman era.

[gorilla777]

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True Yankee fans? Don't know where to start with that one....So the call is to wait until '17 to pass judgment, but at the same time call it the worst trade of the Cashman area immediately? And then downplaying pitching again, always a great call. It may be influenced by owning a great deal of NY items for Montero, yet still sounds rambling.

[5toolplayer]

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Time will tell. this convo is over

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Montero Traded from Yankees

2011: Cards: Carpenter
2010: Giants: Timmy L., Cain
2009: Yankees: CC
2008: Phils: Hamels
2007: Red Sox: Beckett, Schilling



Yup again you experts on here are correct. Those teams listed above had no GREAT hitters at all. It was all pitching and no hitting. I'm done going back and forth about it. We will see in 5 years what a great trade this was. I along with tons of real yankee fans think this was a bad move. Montero has been followed by true fans for many years in hopes of finally having another young hitter in the lineup that was a homegrown stud. Pineda has done nothing but have few good weeks to start the season then totally tanked to the tune of a 5.12 ERA. I guess young .300 hitters with 30+ Hr power are a dime a dozen. Maybe Miami will trade Stanton to the yankees for Nova. Seems like a good trade considering the numbers Nova put up last year. Sounds pretty stupid huh? Talk to me in 2017 about this same topic. Worst trade in the Cashman era.

the yankees have more hitting than any of those teams. stanton and montero dont compare stanton has almost as many homers as montero has plate appearances at the same age, they are a couple of weeks apart. i can understand your frustration as a fan and collector though. i am a jets fan. i invested in keyshawn shortly before he was traded and when that happened i was so upset about it.

[yanks12025]

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You're very funny, saying that we're not real "Yankee Fans" cause we actually like the trade. Only reason you want him to stay a Yankee is for his game used prices to go up. We'll see in five years, when Pinada is an all-star and Montero is just a DH.

The way you talk about him, is that he's has been around for years putting up a .300 batting average and over 30 homeruns. But in fact it's only been 62 at-bats. I'm sure there have been several other top prospects who have failed after having a good first 62 at-bats.

[legaleagle92481]

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You're very funny, saying that we're not real "Yankee Fans" cause we actually like the trade. Only reason you want him to stay a Yankee is for his game used prices to go up. We'll see in five years, when Pinada is an all-star and Montero is just a DH.

The way you talk about him, is that he's has been around for years putting up a .300 batting average and over 30 homeruns. But in fact it's only been 62 at-bats. I'm sure there have been several other top prospects who have failed after having a good first 62 at-bats.

Gregg Jefferies comes to mind. He was supposed to be the next great thing. In his first year (29 games) he had .320 with 6 homers and 17 rbis at age 20. He finished sixth in the rookie of the year race that year. He had two all star years later on with the Cardinals but was never close to a superstar never hitting over 20 homers or knocking in a 100 runs.

[MarinersFan34]

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Another thing to consider that some might not look at. Pineda pitched in a number of games that he gave up 2-3 runs, in Seattle that's almost an automatic loss for you. In NY, you're still more than likely gonna get the win at that point. They have run support, plain and simple.

As for the getting rocked by Boston in his lone appearance against them, let's not forget that the Yankees Ace, Sabathia gave up at least 6 runs to Boston THREE times last year. So Pineda did it once but your ace did it 3 times and Pineda is the guy that sucks?

Overall on paper some may see this as a bad trade for either or both teams, some see it as being great. There is no way we'll know until they play the field, the only ones who make or break this trade is the players themselves no matter what we think of the players or how we rate their abilities.

I have high hopes for Montero but we've seen all too many times in the past that a sure thing hitter has gone bust, that's what worries me. We only saw a small sampling of his ability to handle the bigs, doesn't mean he can make a case to stay up.

[5toolplayer]

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You're very funny, saying that we're not real "Yankee Fans" cause we actually like the trade. Only reason you want him to stay a Yankee is for his game used prices to go up. We'll see in five years, when Pinada is an all-star and Montero is just a DH.

The way you talk about him, is that he's has been around for years putting up a .300 batting average and over 30 homeruns. But in fact it's only been 62 at-bats. I'm sure there have been several other top prospects who have failed after having a good first 62 at-bats.

You're right high speed I only care about his G/U items and the value of them.....Or maybe because I know the family and how much they wanted Jesus to become a star in NY. I don't collect his stuff to make a profit. I could care less what they are worth because I will never try to move any of it. I just think its a bad move moving a homegrown, middle of the order bat for pitching right now with Manny and Dellin on the way.