Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
Pete Rose broke the cardinal rule of baseball. Statistically speaking he is a HOFer, but gambling on baseball is the reason why he is not in. I personally do not care if goes in. I understand both sides of the equation.
You can make the argument that no one should go in the HOF this year. In a year where you had at least 4 guys that should be first ballot based on stats, this class is tainted. The holdovers are not as good either.
ChrisComment
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
I've always thought I'd put Pete in and stamp in capitals across the bottom of his plaque: BANNED FOR BETTING ON BB AS A MANAGER. On the other hand, I don't feel the loss if he doesn't make it.
I wouldn't put any of the steroids guys in, for reasons stated here by others. Bonds and Clemens both would have made it easily without the steroids, so they are kind of in Pete's place: on the outside due to their own demons.
As for who DOES get in, I say Piazza hands-down. I've always wondered why people were always so down on him. Really, what more do you want from a catcher??
I think Biggio will be an interesting case. He did reach that magic landmark of 3000 hits, which is impressive no matter what. But during his career, did anyone EVER say "there goes a HOFer!"?? I think not.
Selig: yes, the steroids are disappointing. But he has also run the league through it's most prosperous years ever. Before you laugh or sneer "TV money," check out the attendance levels. Really, was Bowie Kuhn better? Ford Frick??? There are a lot of ills in baseball, but there always has been, and the highs he's reached are higher than almost any other Commish.
I think Jack Morris and Tim Raines were incredible players who are vastly overlooked. I hate myself for saying this, but there's much worse in the HOF.
KenComment
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
on Selig, withholding his negligence in the steroid matter this is what i see as his accomplishments.
how about making the all star game count for home field advantage.
how about stopping the all star game in a tie
how about cancelling a world seriesRegards,
Joel S.
joelsabi @ gmail.com
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
I think the Hall will elect somebody , they want a ceremony every year. Cooperstown's economically needs a induction ceremony every year, its all about the money. Frankly I didn't think Barry Larkin was a HOFer he benefitted from a weak class...
As a Bonds collector I could care less either way.
I think Pete Rose is more relevent and collectible today because he is not in the Hall. People bring up his name in conversation and debate every year because he is not in.. If he was in people wouldn't be talking about him nearly as much. Do you think as many people would know a bout shoeless joe if he had been elected? If he had already been elected not as many people would ever no who he is. I think the players that are kept out even though deserving... are more famous for not being in than if they were elected.Comment
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
3) It takes two to tango
2) I argue with my father-in-law about this all the time. The ASG is a meaningless exhibition (or at least it was until point #1.) What if the game went 5-7-15 more innings? I don't know what team you root for, but how would you feel watching YOUR All Star pitcher have to throw 7 or 8 innings in an ASG? We've seen what happens to even great pitchers when they extend themselves too far (Helllooo, Johann!) If you have a beef with an ASG being called, imagine how much you'd complain if your team's shot at the playoffs were ruined because your stud pitcher is on the DL because he had to finish some exhibition game!Comment
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
I think the Hall will elect somebody , they want a ceremony every year. Cooperstown's economically needs a induction ceremony every year, its all about the money. Frankly I didn't think Barry Larkin was a HOFer he benefitted from a weak class...
As a Bonds collector I could care less either way.
I think Pete Rose is more relevent and collectible today because he is not in the Hall. People bring up his name in conversation and debate every year because he is not in.. If he was in people wouldn't be talking about him nearly as much. Do you think as many people would know a bout shoeless joe if he had been elected? If he had already been elected not as many people would ever no who he is. I think the players that are kept out even though deserving... are more famous for not being in than if they were elected.Comment
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Re: Bonds Clemens and Sosa on HOF ballot
I think the writers have made their position pretty well known on PED's in the low number of votes for the others who have been tied in with the steroid issue. While not the caliber of players as Sosa and Bonds, their numbers are noticeably lower in previous years voting compared to other players.
I also disagree that they will elect someone just to have a ceremony. They still have the veterans committee and other ways to have inductees. There have been years in the past when nobody has been elected, and I personally agree in the strict requirements.Comment
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