Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

[yanks12025]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

These card companies are making big bucks by chopping up index and pro issued bats. Then they hide behind small print, and mislead their customers. "Game Used Hack Wilson Bat" could simply mean a bat with Hack Wilson on the barrel, was used in a game by some player. That's much different than, "Bat Used by Hack Wilson".

That's why I think the debate about cutting up artifacts is overrated. The card companies are cutting up $500 index bats, not $8000 game used bats. They are in the game to make money, so they'll spend as little as possible on "artifacts" and leave it up to the lawyers for the description.

Don't get me wrong, I know there have been some great pieces destroyed by these companies, but I think its the exeption rather than the rule. If they were cutting up "GU 10" bats, then they would advertize the fact, and provide images beforehand. This would assure the customer base that they were getting a part of history.

Jimmy.
The Cobb that was chopped up was a professional model spalding which sell for $10,000++

[Eric]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

You can just look up the serial numbers on the Willie Kamm and Shoeless Joe Jackson bats. Oh wait...

[GoTigers]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

Like I said, there are exeptions and it's terrible when a great item is cut up. But, I believe the vast majority are issued, index, or model bats that were used by another player. Think about it, the numbers just dont add up between known graded examples and relic cards.

If these were highly graded examples, the card companies would advertise it, make "book cards" that show the bat and grade etc. Has anyone ever seen a card that has Ty Cobbs tape from his bat handle? Dont you think they'd capatalize on that? You think they throw the tape away, but have laundry tag cards, button cards, etc? What about the centerbrands? It's all saw dust or knobs with no marks, or barrel ends, and a handful of barrel ends with the players name. All which could be from issued bats

They could make cards with George Brett's pine tar, Griffey's tape, barrel sections with perfect ball marks of logos and ink transfers. There's a reason they dont... They are issued bats, index bats, etc.

[GoTigers]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

And I know someone will probably post a youtube video of "the vault" or whatever they call it at the card companies headquarters. I bet all the vintage stuff is still there, intact, to show to tourists or news crews etc. just to show the great items that get into the product. That, or its resold in a few years at an auction and they get new stuff to show off for a few years.

The lack of transparency just doesnt make any sense, especially if they are cutting up HOF worthy items. It should be advertiesd to create a buzz for the product. Instead you get a generic piece of wood and a vague description of what it's supposed to be. I do think the modern jersey cards, etc. are different. There is such a huge supply of this stuff, I'm basically talking about vintage "relic" cards.

[GoTigers]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/fraud-sports-memorabilia-dealer-bradley-wells-tells-fbi-prominent-card-companies-knew-jerseys-fakes-article-1.1159317

Does anyone really believe these guys are adverse to living in the grey? With their descriptions, you can make a convincing argument that a side written bat from a minor leaguer, with "Hack Wilson" on the barrel is in fact a "Hack Wilson Game Used Bat".

There are 2-3 known Joe Jackson game used bats from his MLB playing days.. is this the knob to one of them? Is a bat from his barnstorming days "game used? Is a 33" Joe Jackson model from the H&B vaults with random sidewriting "game used"? Do you really think they bought a $250K from his MLB days and cut it up when there is a grey area they can easily explore?

[PAC]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

These card companies are making big bucks by chopping up index and pro issued bats. Then they hide behind small print, and mislead their customers. "Game Used Hack Wilson Bat" could simply mean a bat with Hack Wilson on the barrel, was used in a game by some player. That's much different than, "Bat Used by Hack Wilson".

That's why I think the debate about cutting up artifacts is overrated. The card companies are cutting up $500 index bats, not $8000 game used bats. They are in the game to make money, so they'll spend as little as possible on "artifacts" and leave it up to the lawyers for the description.

Don't get me wrong, I know there have been some great pieces destroyed by these companies, but I think its the exeption rather than the rule. If they were cutting up "GU 10" bats, then they would advertize the fact, and provide images beforehand. This would assure the customer base that they were getting a part of history.

I know I've seen a thousand different game used jersey patch cards of current players that contain a piece of nameplate. Only problem is...the piece of patch is large enough to clearly discern what letter it came from...and the player's name does not even contain that letter.

If they're faking easily obtainable game used items of current players, then...

[dre707]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

I think all game used cards should be like this

But these new cards are like this i dont even know what piece this is from and it doesnt mention it being worn by sheffield himself

And this is what it says on the back "relic" but what is it jersey pants hat?????

[rdeversole]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

That card is cool - thanks for sharing!

That memorabilia piece is a swatch cut from the waistband of pants.

[mdube16]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

FYI....Brad is an awsome guy and is happy to talk cards with anyone through either the boards, livecasebreak or twitter. Also he is right in the entire conversation execpt of course in that as we know, anyone can ask 4x the value for whatever they want (although they will still own the item forever)

[Eric]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

Nap Lajoie

[yanks12025]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

What ashame with that lajoie. I think the number is 312483 which was a pro model decal from 1911-17 graded A7.

[Eric]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

What a cool Willie Stargell bat. Let me just look up exactly what MEARS thought of it in the database... oh, wait. Forget it.

[MGHProductions]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

Here's one of the Cobb's they tried to pass off as a gamer. C28 on the knob is way after Cobb retired
Matt

[mbenga28]

Re: Hack Wilson Bat on Panini Card

Why is the wear and tear on the barrel sticker usually somewhere near the serial number? Are they deliberately scratched off?