Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

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Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with DC Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

so use your own first (joe) and last (alpert) name. your trend, as past post show, that when you get anally uptight about something you go that direction of first and last name.does that make u feel like you have authority and an expert?? so use your own name JOE alpert.... I don't give u permission to use mine.. as for loa's ..it seems you take another direction when it comes to another specific company that you, Joe alpert, are an unofficial dealer of. also 250+ posts doesn't make one more knowledgable than others,,,youve got double that...have you posted anything from YOUR collection??? do you have a collection??? seems you are just a seller and a profiter ,,no more no less... that's your part in the industry. your friend mark has another post about shill bidding less than a month ago.
mick president/owner just another dude that sells on eBay

So you decide to personally attack me? It is public record on this forum every member's real name - Sorry you don't like that but I like to address people I'm having a discussion with about a serious industry injustice. If you don't wish to be addressed by your real name you shouldn't join a discussion.

I have been a full time sports memorabilia dealer for around 25 years now. It doesn't matter if I am part of this forum to make money for my business or to help protect the integrity of this industry that has been part of my entire adult life from when it became a business at age 16 to now that it is still paying the bills at age 44.

You claim that Mark is my friend. I have not communicated with Mark, Ryan or Dan over this matter at any time over this matter. I do not have a past friendship with any of them.

You fail to address your agenda since you stated earlier that the jersey was part of a trade for a Rodman jersey so I will no longer be able to address your posts until you reveal how you were able to reveal this information without personally communicating with any of those involved from Mark, to Ryan to Dan. Since you have attached Mark, it is a safe guess you and him have not communicated about this so please show some integrity and disclose how you came up with this jersey being part of a trade for a Rodman jersey.

Otherwise your comments do not contribute to the discussion due to the fact that you have communicated with someone involved with this whole situation but you will not disclose your intentions of who you are posting on behalf of.

There has been a serious violation of hobby trust violated and revealed in this discussion and it needed to be addressed with facts and information that can be confirmed.

[mickeymbz]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with DC Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

So you decide to personally attack me? It is public record on this forum every member's real name - Sorry you don't like that but I like to address people I'm having a discussion with about a serious industry injustice. If you don't wish to be addressed by your real name you shouldn't join a discussion.

I have been a full time sports memorabilia dealer for around 25 years now. It doesn't matter if I am part of this forum to make money for my business or to help protect the integrity of this industry that has been part of my entire adult life from when it became a business at age 16 to now that it is still paying the bills at age 44.

You claim that Mark is my friend. I have not communicated with Mark, Ryan or Dan over this matter at any time over this matter. I do not have a past friendship with any of them.

You fail to address your agenda since you stated earlier that the jersey was part of a trade for a Rodman jersey so I will no longer be able to address your posts until you reveal how you were able to reveal this information without personally communicating with any of those involved from Mark, to Ryan to Dan. Since you have attached Mark, it is a safe guess you and him have not communicated about this so please show some integrity and disclose how you came up with this jersey being part of a trade for a Rodman jersey.

Otherwise your comments do not contribute to the discussion due to the fact that you have communicated with someone involved with this whole situation but you will not disclose your intentions of who you are posting on behalf of.

There has been a serious violation of hobby trust violated and revealed in this discussion and it needed to be addressed with facts and information that can be confirmed.

lol.. that's your EXACT response whenever someone else brought up the same annoying trait that you feel to dominate people with your first and last name bit.,, you love to personal attack.. tit for tat JOe alpert
I don't SEE u using everybody elses first and last name Joe alpert ,,only when you get chapped. sorry you take valid points as personal attacks Joe alpert.
mick wong
president/owner just another dude selling on eBay

[mickeymbz]

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Oh Vey!! intentions...agendas.. blah blah blah. ryan , just learned he got smoked for that bogus kobe from your post... I asked him did he pay much for it .. he stated he traded a 95-96 bulls home jersey for it.. with excellent provenance .. nothing more nothing less.. He emailed me in the past months my thoughts on the kobe and I expressed my concerns(I guess an email makes him "my friend"),, he chose to believe its real..thats his choice.. thus I know he thought it was real... he posted on ebay believing it real.so take this as an agenda or intention,,,whatev,,just bzzzzzz

mick wong
president/owner just another dude selling on eBay

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Oh Vey!! intentions...agendas.. blah blah blah. ryan , just learned he got smoked for that bogus kobe from your post... I asked him did he pay much for it .. he stated he traded a 95-96 bulls home jersey for it.. with excellent provenance .. nothing more nothing less.. He emailed me in the past months my thoughts on the kobe and I expressed my concerns(I guess an email makes him "my friend"),, he chose to believe its real..thats his choice.. thus I know he thought it was real... he posted on ebay believing it real.so take this as an agenda or intention,,,whatev,,just bzzzzzz

mick wong
president/owner just another dude selling on eBay

Thank you for revealing that you have communicated with Ryan since this discussion stated.

You say he just learned he got burned from my post which is odd because before I made my post I emailed him showing him the same exact jersey listed on eBay as a jersey that clearly was not game worn. I guess he didn't believe my email through eBay but he believes me when I posted the facts and proof here on Game Used Universe's discussion forums.

I think what would be best is now for Dan to join this discussion and tell us who submitted this jersey to him for authentication and maybe then he can also explain how he was able to write a letter of authenticity stating the jersey came from an "Impeccable source inside the NBA who has access to players before, during and after games.".

It would also help to know who had the autograph added since it is in question also.

I am glad you were able to add to the discussion tonight. Sorry if you were upset but I just was hoping for the truth to be revealed and I'm sure eventually we will get closer to the truth from this discussion.

I finally would like to mention it doesn't matter how many posts someone has on the forum - I mention how many posts someone has to show they are active on the forum and should reply to this discussion if they are honest and not the party that converted this jersey from a custom made pro-cut to a game used jersey. Showing a member is an active member leads to suspicion if they do not address this discussion which is too bad because somewhere along the line someone did something very bad for the integrity of this industry.

[mickeymbz]

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" Sorry you don't like that but I like to address people I'm having a discussion with about a serious industry injustice. If you don't wish to be addressed by your real name you shouldn't join a discussion."

lol...besides the originators of this site.,your the only one that uses your real name Joe Alpert. so I guess everyone who doesn't use their real name shouldn't join a discussion.. lets drop the first last name schtick.. u can call me mick.. that is my real name. .. u wanna use first and last name and feel important,,will that's your call

[cohibasmoker]

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Joel - Interesting thread. On the date of the original auction, was/is MSauctions still being run by Mitchell Schumacher?

Jim

PS - So much for LOA's and buying Super-Star jerseys.

[ryanjerseyb]

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I honestly bought this jersey thinking it was game worn. I sent it into DC Sports to get their opinion. I was pleased to get the jersey back authenticated. By no means did I know that the jersey was originally purchased from MS Auctions!! If I would have known that, I never would have traded one if my prized Dennis Rodman game worn jerseys for it! Now you can believe me or not, that is the honest to God truth. Now I am out thousands of dollars and am having my name bashed for no reason! The jersey has been pulled from Ebay because of the new knowledge that was brought to my attention. Mr Ceniceros should not be being bashed either. The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin. This is a real problem we have in the hobby right now is people altering jerseys! This should not happen! I really appreciate mickeymbz coming to my defense when I don't even know the guy. It means a lot and I believe speaks loudly on this whole situation.
Check out my website www.nba-game-worn-jerseys.com

[CPuente57]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

The only question I have then, and I'm not accusing anyone or anything, just curious, why Dan would authenticate the jersey and keep that "The above mentioned jersey shows accurate wear and was obtained by an impeccable source inside the NBA who has access to player before, during and after games" line in the LOA? I assumed all of his stuff with their LOA came directly from Dan and his sources?

[cohibasmoker]

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I honestly bought this jersey thinking it was game worn. I sent it into DC Sports to get their opinion. I was pleased to get the jersey back authenticated. By no means did I know that the jersey was originally purchased from MS Auctions!! If I would have known that, I never would have traded one if my prized Dennis Rodman game worn jerseys for it! Now you can believe me or not, that is the honest to God truth. Now I am out thousands of dollars and am having my name bashed for no reason! The jersey has been pulled from Ebay because of the new knowledge that was brought to my attention. Mr Ceniceros should not be being bashed either. The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin. This is a real problem we have in the hobby right now is people altering jerseys! This should not happen! I really appreciate mickeymbz coming to my defense when I don't even know the guy. It means a lot and I believe speaks loudly on this whole situation.
Check out my website www.nba-game-worn-jerseys.com

You may have some recourse. It would take some work on your end and it would depend on how far you want to take it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/mitchell-schumacher-pleads-guilty-mail-fraud-wednesday-illinois-federal-court-article-1.982256

[ryanjerseyb]

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Mitch just contacted me with a threat. He acts like nobody knows who he is! LMAO!! I just hate that this industry is soo Corrupt!! You don't know who to trust!

[ChrisCavalier]

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A few observations:

1) Thank you Joel for posting in a manner consistent with the forum rules and for keeping the thread on track without speculation, etc.

2) Mick, please refrain from any personal attacks. Also, regarding your comment to Joel that "so use your own name JOE alpert.... I don't give u permission to use mine.." all members are required to register with their first and last name along with contact information. Unlike some sites, we do this so there is certain level of accountability and we are confident this eliminates many unsubstantiated posts that would likely occur if people are allowed to post anonymously. Every member's first and last name is listed on the site. That is part of your agreement to being part of the community. I know you can be very impassioned in your posts but please make sure all future posts are congruent with the forum rules.

3) At this point, I agree that those involved with the situation are the ones most capable of shedding further light on the situation. We will be monitoring this thread and hope the others involved will post.

Please feel free to email me directly for any questions regarding the forum rules. I would like to make sure this thread stays focused on answering some legitimate questions and sticks with substantiated information.

Thanks,
Chris

[mickeymbz]

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I The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin.

Msauction sold the shirt to someone in Louisiana (surprise where Mmontes lives) Msauction sold the shirt as non-game worn. Montero bought it as such knowing it is merely an issued. Montero knowingly sold a pro-cut to you as an issued for something of value (actually a real rookie would command more than a worm shirt). The deception originates outta LA.

[mickeymbz]

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A few observations:

1) Thank you Joel for posting in a manner consistent with the forum rules and for keeping the thread on track without speculation, etc.

2) Mick, please refrain from any personal attacks. Also, regarding your comment to Joel that "so use your own name JOE alpert.... I don't give u permission to use mine.." all members are required to register with their first and last name along with contact information. Unlike some sites, we do this so there is certain level of accountability and we are confident this eliminates many unsubstantiated posts that would likely occur if people are allowed to post anonymously. Every member's first and last name is listed on the site. That is part of your agreement to being part of the community. I know you can be very impassioned in your posts but please make sure all future posts are congruent with the forum rules.

3) At this point, I agree that those involved with the situation are the ones most capable of shedding further light on the situation. We will be monitoring this thread and hope the others involved will post.

Please feel free to email me directly for any questions regarding the forum rules. I would like to make sure this thread stays focused on answering some legitimate questions and sticks with substantiated information.

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,, please see past post concerning his use of first and last name. As all members are required to register with first and last name has nothing to do with him using it in a passive aggressive manner to expressive condescension on his level of personal attacks. IF people wish to know my name they can look it up. I don't need to be reminded every sentence what my name is. PLEASe be fair when you levy warnings of who's personal attacking.
Mick W

[Takuleechch]

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Has anybody emailed Dan? He's very good at returning emails.

[mickeymbz]

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Mitch just contacted me with a threat. He acts like nobody knows who he is! LMAO!! I just hate that this industry is soo Corrupt!! You don't know who to trust!

lesson to be learned.. profiteers pray on collectors and the uninformed