Thoughts on GU inscription?

[Eric]

Hello everyone-

I wanted to pass something along to you.

A person who is new to the hobby came across the forum, emailed me photos of a Stephen Jackson game used jersey which is currently for sale at Steve Misturini's AuthenticSports to ask my opinion before spending the money.

Mr. Misturini claimed this came from a Rams teammate and was charging $1800 for it

According to the seller, the jersey shows some good RB wear and is autographed with jackson's name, number and g/u 05. See photo below



A few minutes of research showed that a Stephen Jackson game cut jersey was sold on ebay by NFL Auctions (rams-auctions) item # 170020206191 to user gingerine98 for $406 with this photo



Note the lack of the inscription. Here is a side by side comparison of the jerseys.



I sent the photos back to the buyer so he could make his own decision on what to do.

By the way, it is interesting to see the other items purchased by gingerine98 which include

170043919512 US $238.00 1990 Ozzie Smith St. Louis Cardinals Baseball Jersey gingerine98 (*) lindias
270051374120 US $54.00 2006 Mariano Rivera Game Issued Yankees Jersey STEINER gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
280047192594 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs GREG MADDUX Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
280047195504 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs RYNE SANDBERG Jersey 42 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
250050855684 US $14.95 1990 MLBB All Star Game Patch Chicago Cubs gingerine98 (*) northstarfan
220051495240 US $300.50 TIM DUNCAN GAME ISSUED/WORN #21 REEBOK JERSEY 2004/05 gingerine98 (*) sdb23
320053890801 US $81.00 2006 Carlos Zambrano Cubs Game-Issued Jersey sz.54 gingerine98 (*) nilbog57
300053547423 US $59.99 Roy Williams game issued cleats / shoes gingerine98 (*) banditboy
260057646191 US $152.50 Jorge Posada NY Yankees Game Used Road Pants 02 COA gingerine98 (*) member2064
270060596900 US $493.00 1997 Derek Jeter Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
170030433468 US $320 2004 ANTONIO GATES AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions
170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

and the following, which the user bid on and did not win

230047436685 US $271.76 ALBERT PUJOLS GAME ISSUED WBC DOMINICAN REPUBLIC JERSEY iversonauthentic3 (*) amazin-mets
160047198596 US $151.99 KEN GRIFFEY JR Signed UDA REDS Away Jersey UPPER DECK neomatrix6144 (*) artistnsports
270051371121 US $138.63 1997 Darryl Strawberry Game Issued Used Yankees Jersey bang-bang.i.win.again (*) jfactory_sports
230052072880 US $178.63 NEW YORK GIANTS Authentic Game Football Helmet #10 jeff8595 (*) football-helmets
270060593794 US $232.50 1995 Don Mattingly Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey the.attic.addict (*) jfactory_sports

Thoughts?

[sandman02910]

Sadly this is not even close to the first time this type of thing has been done. A collector, especially a new one, may get a false sense of security when an item is signed with a "game used" inscription. I have gotten to the point where if I am having a game used items signed with a "game used" inscription I get pictures of the athlete signing both his autograph and the inscription. In many cases recently I have been able to videotape the signing of my items including any comments the athlete may have about the item. Obviously the photos or video would only provide a potential buyer with the fact that the athlete did indeed sign and inscribe the item and that the athlete is implying it is game used. Unfortunately some athletes will write whatever you ask them to on an item without even examining it. Others have higher standards towards the items they sign.
Kind of an impossible dream but perhaps someday MLB will intervene in all of the self proclaimed "expert authenticators" and start their own authentication company where these so called "expert authenticators" would have to pass tests in order to be certified by MLB in order to authenticate items as game used. If that certified authenticator were to pass items that were fake they could be decertified. I'm not sure how all the details would work out but anything is better than what is going on these days. As I said....an impossible dream because even MLB gets it wrong sometimes.
Thanks
Scott

[Eric]

An update-

i have confirmation that the mailing address for ebay user gingerine98 is the same as authenticsports

[allstarsplus]

Eric - That is great work. Stephen Jackson could sign 1,000 jerseys and not place the ink in the identical spot twice!!!!

A nice 443% mark-up too if he were to sell it at the $1,800 price.

Keep your eyes out for the Phillip Rivers Auto'd Rookie jersey:

170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

Eric, how did you miss not picking that River's up????

Andrew

[Eric]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.

I guarantee you we start to see more "interesting" Rivers, Gates, Merriman, Romo, Brees, Bush, Addai, Leinart jerseys hitting the market. Who am I missing?

[allstarsplus]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.

Eric - If his jersey sells like that helmet did, you may need the Brinks truck to buy the "real" game used Rivers jersey!!! Sure to find several of the "game issued" Rivers Pro Bowl jerseys out there. Those hit the auction sites every February!!!

Andrew

[Neely8]

Hello everyone-

I wanted to pass something along to you.

A person who is new to the hobby came across the forum, emailed me photos of a Stephen Jackson game used jersey which is currently for sale at Steve Misturini's AuthenticSports to ask my opinion before spending the money.

Mr. Misturini claimed this came from a Rams teammate and was charging $1800 for it

According to the seller, the jersey shows some good RB wear and is autographed with jackson's name, number and g/u 05. See photo below

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A few minutes of research showed that a Stephen Jackson game cut jersey was sold on ebay by NFL Auctions (rams-auctions) item # 170020206191 to user gingerine98 for $406 with this photo

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Note the lack of the inscription. Here is a side by side comparison of the jerseys.

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I sent the photos back to the buyer so he could make his own decision on what to do.

The autos look similar but not identical to me. The "J" in Jackson looks more oval in one while the other looks more round. Also, the straight, downward part of the "9" looks to curve slightly to the left in one while goes straight down in the other.

[allstarsplus]

I see what you are talking about with the "J" but that is probably the illusion of the 1st jersey being flat and the one with the g/u 2005 inscription being propped up on something causing a change of angles. If you look at the location of each twist and turn in relation to the stitch marks the signatures seem to line up perfectly.

The statistical probability signing thru the same stitch marks seems very very remote in my opinion.

Andrew

[Eric]

FYI ebay used gingerine98 picked up some great issued items

Michael Jordan #45 Chicago Bulls Un-Used Game Jersey
Original 1994/95 Issue jersey from Champion- $937





http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270097125457

<WTA>Serena Williams 2006 GAME ISSUED NIKE Dress skirt $49.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200093266281

Decals used for Denver Broncos helmets- $13.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260095229081

[Eric]

Gingerine98 also picked up

1998 Derek Jeter Game Issued NY Yankees Road Jersey 48" $355





http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270103746843