Thoughts on GU inscription?

[Eric]

Hello everyone-

I wanted to pass something along to you.

A person who is new to the hobby came across the forum, emailed me photos of a Stephen Jackson game used jersey which is currently for sale at Steve Misturini's AuthenticSports to ask my opinion before spending the money.

Mr. Misturini claimed this came from a Rams teammate and was charging $1800 for it

According to the seller, the jersey shows some good RB wear and is autographed with jackson's name, number and g/u 05. See photo below



A few minutes of research showed that a Stephen Jackson game cut jersey was sold on ebay by NFL Auctions (rams-auctions) item # 170020206191 to user gingerine98 for $406 with this photo



Note the lack of the inscription. Here is a side by side comparison of the jerseys.



I sent the photos back to the buyer so he could make his own decision on what to do.

By the way, it is interesting to see the other items purchased by gingerine98 which include

170043919512 US $238.00 1990 Ozzie Smith St. Louis Cardinals Baseball Jersey gingerine98 (*) lindias
270051374120 US $54.00 2006 Mariano Rivera Game Issued Yankees Jersey STEINER gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
280047192594 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs GREG MADDUX Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
280047195504 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs RYNE SANDBERG Jersey 42 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
250050855684 US $14.95 1990 MLBB All Star Game Patch Chicago Cubs gingerine98 (*) northstarfan
220051495240 US $300.50 TIM DUNCAN GAME ISSUED/WORN #21 REEBOK JERSEY 2004/05 gingerine98 (*) sdb23
320053890801 US $81.00 2006 Carlos Zambrano Cubs Game-Issued Jersey sz.54 gingerine98 (*) nilbog57
300053547423 US $59.99 Roy Williams game issued cleats / shoes gingerine98 (*) banditboy
260057646191 US $152.50 Jorge Posada NY Yankees Game Used Road Pants 02 COA gingerine98 (*) member2064
270060596900 US $493.00 1997 Derek Jeter Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
170030433468 US $320 2004 ANTONIO GATES AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions
170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

and the following, which the user bid on and did not win

230047436685 US $271.76 ALBERT PUJOLS GAME ISSUED WBC DOMINICAN REPUBLIC JERSEY iversonauthentic3 (*) amazin-mets
160047198596 US $151.99 KEN GRIFFEY JR Signed UDA REDS Away Jersey UPPER DECK neomatrix6144 (*) artistnsports
270051371121 US $138.63 1997 Darryl Strawberry Game Issued Used Yankees Jersey bang-bang.i.win.again (*) jfactory_sports
230052072880 US $178.63 NEW YORK GIANTS Authentic Game Football Helmet #10 jeff8595 (*) football-helmets
270060593794 US $232.50 1995 Don Mattingly Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey the.attic.addict (*) jfactory_sports

Thoughts?

[sandman02910]

Sadly this is not even close to the first time this type of thing has been done. A collector, especially a new one, may get a false sense of security when an item is signed with a "game used" inscription. I have gotten to the point where if I am having a game used items signed with a "game used" inscription I get pictures of the athlete signing both his autograph and the inscription. In many cases recently I have been able to videotape the signing of my items including any comments the athlete may have about the item. Obviously the photos or video would only provide a potential buyer with the fact that the athlete did indeed sign and inscribe the item and that the athlete is implying it is game used. Unfortunately some athletes will write whatever you ask them to on an item without even examining it. Others have higher standards towards the items they sign.
Kind of an impossible dream but perhaps someday MLB will intervene in all of the self proclaimed "expert authenticators" and start their own authentication company where these so called "expert authenticators" would have to pass tests in order to be certified by MLB in order to authenticate items as game used. If that certified authenticator were to pass items that were fake they could be decertified. I'm not sure how all the details would work out but anything is better than what is going on these days. As I said....an impossible dream because even MLB gets it wrong sometimes.
Thanks
Scott

[Eric]

An update-

i have confirmation that the mailing address for ebay user gingerine98 is the same as authenticsports

[allstarsplus]

Eric - That is great work. Stephen Jackson could sign 1,000 jerseys and not place the ink in the identical spot twice!!!!

A nice 443% mark-up too if he were to sell it at the $1,800 price.

Keep your eyes out for the Phillip Rivers Auto'd Rookie jersey:

170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

Eric, how did you miss not picking that River's up????

Andrew

[Eric]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.

I guarantee you we start to see more "interesting" Rivers, Gates, Merriman, Romo, Brees, Bush, Addai, Leinart jerseys hitting the market. Who am I missing?

[allstarsplus]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.

Eric - If his jersey sells like that helmet did, you may need the Brinks truck to buy the "real" game used Rivers jersey!!! Sure to find several of the "game issued" Rivers Pro Bowl jerseys out there. Those hit the auction sites every February!!!

Andrew

[Eric]

The potential buyer of the jersey emailed me a list of the items AuthenticSports is offering. I'm not saying any of it is fake or real, but it seems interesting to see what is in the inventory.
Included on this list is the Stephen Jackson shown in this thread, and a pair of LaDainian Tomlinson throwback pants and a Marvin Harrison with a game used inscription which he will be sending me photos of
Here is the inventory list he received.
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We are pleased to offer you our selection of quality Game Used Pieces. Obtained directly from the Teams and Players themselves, all items come fully documented and guaranteed for the life of the item.

NEW GAME USED ITEMS:

Football:
Game used footballs - majority of teams available - 2004 –05 Seasons
Game Balls - 179.00
Kickoff Balls - 249.00 (w/week indication stamp - WK-1-WK-17)

GAME USED JERSEYS - Football
Bears:
Brian Urlacher - 2004 Pro Bowl Jersey - 1800.00
Marty Booker - 03 - 1300.00
Bengals:
Chad Johnson - 04 - 2300.00
Carl Pickens - 99 - 600.00
Bills:
Peerless Price – 01 – 1200.00
Eric Moulds - 03 - 1200.00
Ruben Brown - 03 - 550.00
Broncos:
John Elway - 1993 Orange Crush Jersey (winter jersey w/ hand warmers)- 6500.00
John Elway - 93 Pants - 1200.00
John Elway - 97 Pants - 1000.00
John Lynch – 04 – 1700.00
Rod Smith - 03 - 1800.00
Delta O'Neal - 03 -1100.00
Jake Plummer Pants - 500.00
Mike Anderson Pants - 350.00
Clinton Portis Hurricanes Jersey - 3300.00
Clinton Portis Hurricanes Pants - 800.00
Bucs:
Michael Pittman – 1600.00
Chargers:
LaDainian Tomlinson - 05 - 2600.00
LaDainian Tomlinson - Pants - 1100.00
LaDainian Tomlinson TB Pants - 1300.00
Quentin Jammer – pants – 650.00
Antonio Gates – 05 – 1900.00
Eric Parker - 1100.00
Drew Brees - 04 - 1500.00
Donnie Edwards - 1100.00
Junior Seau - 1996 - 2500.00
Tim Dwight - 03 - 1100.00
David Boston - 03 w/ "JB" mem. patch - 1100.00
Marcellus Wiley - 03 w/ "JB" mem. patch - 900.00
Chiefs:
Tony Gonzalez – 04 – 1800.00
Dante Hall - 03 - 1800.00
Nathan Parks - 98 - 250.00
Colts:
Peyton Manning 05 – 3300.00 SOLD
Reggie Wayne – 04 – 1900.00
Marvin Harrison - 03 - 1800.00
Edgerrin James - 05 - 1600.00
Cowboys:
Roy Williams - 03 - 2200.00
Jason Witten – 05 – 1500.00
Drew Henson – 04 Rookie – 1100.00
Emmitt Smith Pants - 700.00
Dolphins:
Dan Marino - 1991 - 3900.00
Dan Marino - 99 gw pants - 1100.00
Ricky Williams - 03 -- 2300.00
Pat Surtain - 03- 1300.00
Jay Fielder - 03 - 1300.00
Sammy Knight - 03 - 1500.00
Sam Madison - 03 - 1100.00
Zach Thomas - 00 - 900.00
Jason Taylor - 03 - 900.00
Sammy Morris - 04 - 1500.00
Brent Smith - 400.00 SOLD
Derrick Rodgers - 550.00
Scott Galyon - 450.00
Eagles:
Donovan McNabb - 03 – 3900.00
Brian Dawkins – 1600.00
Falcons:
Michael Vick - 04 - 3900.00
Michael Vick Game Worn pants - 1250.00 SOLD
Michael Vick - Game Worn Cleats - 799.00 SOLD
Michael Jenkins – 05 – 1800.00
Keith Brooking - 03 - 1800.00
Michael Vick - 2000 Virginia Tech Jersey - 4500.00
Giants:
Eli Manning – 05 – 3300.00
Michael Srahan - 03 - 1800.00
Jets:
Curtis Martin - 01 - 2300.00
Lions:
Joey Harrington - 03 - 1700.00
Roy Williams - 04 Rookie - 2200.00
Kevin Jones - 04 Rookie - 2200.00
Artose Pinner - 03 Rookie - 1100.00
Packers:
Brett Favre Practice jersey - 1500.00
Brett Favre pants - 1100.00
Ahman Green - 03 - 2200.00
Ahman Green Pants - 750.00
Donald Driver - 02 - 1500.00
Bubba Franks - 1200.00
Bubba Franks Pants - 450.00
Dorsey Levens - 99 - 750.00
Panthers: SOLD OUT
Patriots: SOLD OUT
Raiders: SOLD OUT
Rams:
Stephen Jackson – 05 – 1800.00
Marshall Faulk - 00 - 1700.00 (complete uniform - 2300.00)
Marshall Faulk - 00 pants - 750.00
Tory Holt - 03 - 1800.00
Jerome Bettis - 94 (Signed -w/75th Ann. Patch) - 2900.00
Ravens:
Jamal Lewis - 03 - 2200.00
Todd Heap - 03 - 1800.00
Musa Smith - 03 Rookie - 1500.00
Peter Boulware - 1500.00
Travis Taylor - 1200.00
Redskins:
LaVar Arrington - 03 Pants - 500.00
Champ Bailey - 03 - 1500.00
Laveranues Coles - 03 - 1500.00
Saints:
Aaron Brooks - 03 - 1800.00
Jerome Pathon - 1100.00
Seahawks:
Marcus Trufant - 03 Rookie - 1400.00
Seneca Wallace – 03 Rookie – 1100.00
Steelers:
Rod Woodson – 97 Durene Jersey – 3200.00
Texans:
Andre Johnson – 04 – 1800.00
Titans:
Steve McNair - 02 - 1800.00
Jevon Kearse - 02 - 1200.00
Derrick Mason - 03 - 1200.00
Tyrone Calico - 03 Rookie - 1100.00
Vikings:
Michael Bennett - 03 - 1600.00
Onterrio Smith - Rookie - 03 - 1200.00
D'Wayne Bates - 03 - 650.00
Randy Moss - 2004 Issued ProBowl Jersey (not worn-did not play)- 1100.00
49ers: SOLD OUT

GAME USED HELMETS
Bengals:
Rudi Johnson - 04 - 1800.00
Broncos:
Clinton Portis - 03 - (last Broncos Helmet) - 2600.00
Cardinals:
Josh McCown - 03 Rookie - 2200.00
Chargers:
Drew Brees - 03 - 1200.00
LaDainian Tomlinson - 01 Rookie - 3300.00 SOLD
Chiefs:
Priest Holmes - 03 playoffs helmet - 3200.00
Dante Hall - 01 - 2500.00
Tony Gonzalez - 02 - 2300.00
Trent Green - 03 - 1800.00
Colts:
Reggie Wayne - 04 - 2300
Edgerrin James - 99 (Rookie) - 1800.00
Cowboys:
Quincy Carter - 03 - 1500.00 SOLD
Dolphins:
Dan Marino - 1996 - 4200.00
Ricky Williams - 03 - 3300.00
Chris Chambers - 02 - 1800.00
Junior Seau - 03 - 1800.00
Zach Thomas - 02 - 1500.00
Jason Taylor - 02 - 1500.00
Eagles:
Donovan McNabb - 03 - 2900.00
Brian Westbrook - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Falcons:
Keith Brooking - 01 - 1600.00
Giants:
Tiki Barber - 04 - 2200.00
Kerry Collins - 03 - 1100.00 SOLD
Jaguars:
Byron Leftwich - 03 - Rookie - 2600.00
Jets:
Chad Pennington - 04 - 2500.00
Lions:
Joey Harrington - 03 - 2300.00
Packers:
Ahman Green - 03 - 2600.00
Donald Driver - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Panthers: SOLD OUT
Patriots:
Tom Brady - 03 - Practice Helmet - 1800.00 SOLD
Cory Dillon – 04 – 1900.00
Deion Branch - 02 Rookie - 1900.00 SOLD
Kevin Faulk - 01 - 1900.00 SOLD
David Givens - 02 Rookie - 1900.00 SOLD
Teddy Bruschi - 01 - 1900.00 SOLD
Bethel Johnson - 03 - Rookie - 2200.00 SOLD
Ty Law - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Raiders:
Rod Woodson -02 - 1800.00 SOLD
Tim Brown - 02 - 2200.00 SOLD
Tyrone Wheatley - 02 - 1200.00
Lincolin Kennedy - 02 - 1100.00
Rams:
Marshall Faulk - 01 - 2600.00
Ravens:
Ray Lewis - 03-04 - 2600.00
Deion Sanders - 04 (first helmet as a Raven) - 2200.00 SOLD
Chris McAlister - 03 - 1300.00 SOLD
Todd Heap - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Kyle Boler - 03 Rookie - 3300.00
Redskins:
Laveranues Coles - 03 - 1800.00
Champ Bailey - 03 (last skins helmet)- 1500.00
Lavar Arrington- 01 - 1800.00 SOLD
Saints: SOLD OUT
Seahawks:
Shaun Alexander - 04 - 2600.00 SOLD
Steelers:
Jerome Bettis- 03 - 3600.00
Texans:
David Carr - 03 - 2300.00
Andre Johnson - Rookie - 03 - 2300.00
Vikings:

49ers: SOLD OUT


Baseball GW Jerseys
Adam Dunn - Reds - gw - 1800
Albert Pujols - Cardinals - gw - 3300
Alex Rodriguez - Yankees - gw - 04 Road - 3600 & Pants - 1100
Alfonso Soriano - Yankees 2003 gw Away Grey w/ 100th Anniversary Patch - 2200.00
Alfonso Soriano - Yankees 01 gw Away Grey w/ 9-11 mem. patch - 2200.00
Andruw Jones - Braves gw - 2200
Andy Pettite - Yankees 2002 gw Home Pinstripe - 2200.00
Barry Bonds - Giants gw 02- 4500
Bernie Williams - - 02 - 2800.00
Brian Giles - Padres - gw - 1500 SOLD
Barry Larkin - Reds - gw - 2200
Carlos Beltran – Mets – 1900
Carlos Delgato – Mets – 1700
Chipper Jones - Braves gw - - 2200
Curt Schilling – Red Sox – 2400
David Ortiz – Red Sox 04 – 1800
Derek Jeter - Yankees - gw 04 Road - 3600 & pants - 1100
Derrek Lee – Cubs – 1800
Gary Sheffield – Yankees – 2200 – Pants 800
Greg Maddux - Cubs gw - 04 - 2600
Hideki Matsui - Yankees - gw 03 Rookie - 3300
Hideo Nomo - Dogers - gw - 2200
Ichiro - Mariners gw 03 - 2200
Jaret Wright – Yankees – 1500 - & Pants 600
Jason Giambi - Yankees - gw 03 Pinstripe- 1800 - & Pants - 800
Jeff Bagwell - Astros gw - 2200
Jeff Kent Astros - gw - 2100
Jim Thome White Sox – 2200
Joe Torre – Yankees – 1500
John Smoltz - Braves - gw - 1800
Jorge Posada Yankees – 1800 - & Pants 800
Jose Reyes – Mets – 1800
Josh Beckett - Marlins gw- 2300
Kazuo Matsui Mets - gw 04 Road- 2600
Ken Griffey Jr. - Reds - gw 03 Road- 2700
Kerry Wood - Cubs - gw - 2100
Lance Berkman - Astros - 2300
Lance Painter - Cardinals gw - 500
Manny Ramirez - Red Sox gw - 1700
Marcus Giles - Braves 04 - 1400.00
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – 2300
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – pants 900
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – glove - 2500
Mark Prior - Cubs - gw - 2300
Miguel Cabrera - Marlins gw - 2000
Mike Mussina - Yankees - 1500
Mike Piazza - Mets - gw - 3300
Nomar Garciaparra - Cubs - gw - 2200
Orlando Hernandez – Yankees – 1300
Paul O’Neill – Yankees – 2300
Pedro Martinez – Mets – 2600
Rafael Furcal - Atlanta gw - 1850
Rocco Baldelli - Tampa Bay gw - 1500
Roger Clemens Astros gw - 3300
Roger Clemens - Yankees 2003 gw Home Pinstripe w/ 100th Anniversary Patch - 2700.00
Ryan Dempster - Marlins gw - 400
Todd Helton - Colorado gw - 1900
Tony Gwynn - Padres - gw - 1600
Victor Martinez - Indians - gw - 1800

BASKETBALL Jerseys
Steve Nash – Suns –
Carmelo Anthony Game Worn Headband - 299.00
Lebron James 2004-05 Home Jersey - 3600.00
Lebron James Game Worn Headband - 299.00 SOLD
Kobe Bryant - Lakers 2004-05 Home Jersey- 2200.00
Allen Iverson - 76ers Blue Alt Jersey- 2200.00 SOLD
Allen Iverson - 76ers gw shorts - 350.00
Karl Malone - Jazz 1997-98 (w/NBA Finals patch) - 2200.00
Latrell Sprewell - Timberwolves - 1100.00
Kevin Garnett - Timberwolves - 1900.00
Antoine Walker - Hawks - 750.00
Grant Hill - Pistons 1995-96 - 450.00
Glen Robinson - Bucks 1995-96 - 400.00

Take advantage of our constantly changing inventory of numerous game used pieces. The experienced game used equipment connoisseur knows the authenticity and value of these items just by viewing them. The brands, sizes, team markings and tagging of these items indicate this. For the interested buyers with less experience with these items please feel free to email us with any questions you may have. Our goal is for your Game Used Memorabilia purchase to be a satisfying one. We wish you to enjoy your item for years to come. All items come with complete documentation indicating the the type of equipment, player that used the equipment as well as a photo of the actual item. All documentation also indicates the season and/or games the item was used, and when available, a photo of the player wearing the actual item. Since these items are obtained directly from the players themselves and team staff feel confident that the item you receive is exactly as described. All items come with a full lifetime guarantee against examination by a third party, as stated on the supplied documentation.
These rare items are a terrific way to get as close to the game as possible. Your chance to own a piece of the history of the game.

Thank You,
Steven A. Misturini
President
AUTHENTICSPORTS
www.authsports.com
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[Eric]

User gingerine98 just picked up a great
1993 Derek Jeter Yankees ROOKIE Year Jersey Pro Cut 44
Item number: 270063842404
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270063842404
Only $255

[Eric]

FYI

Ebay user gingerine98 just purchased

Brett Favre 2002 "GAME ISSUED" Auto'd Home Jersey

Item number: 140064860179
$760
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140064860179

and

1999 Bernie Williams Game Issued Pro Cut Yankees Jersey

Size 52 + 2" Extra Length! Year Tag! Super Rare!Item number: 270068234753
$179.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270068234753

[PK]

Eric, I must admit those 2 sigs look very close and with all the superstar game used items that Mr. Misturini had makes me wonder a little too much about how he got them all, but after looking at the 2 Stephen Jackson sigs, they do look a little different.

I know the lighting and angles are different, but here goes and please tell me what you think as well

1. The S in Stephen on the G/U seems smudged on the bottom line and also the line he starts with on the S does not seem to go as far towards the back side of the 3

2. Where he crossed the T, on the NFL jersey, there is a little bit that goes over the T towards the rest of his name. The G/U does not seem to do that.

3. The J in jackson on the the G/U seems to be more round like an O vs. the J in the NFL jersey that seems a bit more oval. Plus if you look at the back side of the J and compare it to where the stiching is on the point of the 3, it looks like there is more gold in the

4.