Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

[ivo610]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia law suit

Even Meigray Giants items?

Of course. If the EM had a hand in it I would question all of it.

For the record Meigray is one of the good guys in the hobby IMO

[BarryMeisel]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia law suit

Hi Dewey2007 (and everybody),

MeiGray last acquired jerseys directly from the Giants following the 2002 NFL season.

We have sold and authenticated NY Giants through the secondary market since then. But our authentication procedures for those secondary market jerseys all have included photo-matching and have come with our 100% lifetime guarantee of authentication and protection.

Hope this clarifies,

Barry

[ironmanfan]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

the whole thing is just another black eye on the hobby unfortunately

IMF

[KGoldin]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia law suit

Wow......speechless. This should put into question any and all Giants game worn/used equipment unless a photomatch can be had.

Based on the news today, we have added photo matches to the 2 ELI manning game worn jerseys in our current auction.
'better safe than sorry'.
I would advise people that this is a civil action, and anyone can accuse anyone of something civilly. Before we tar and feather Eli and the Giants, we should let it play out. Although I know that that is hard to do....

http://www.goldinauctions.com/Eli-Manning-Game-Worn-and-Photomatched-Signed-Home-LOT8542.aspx

http://www.goldinauctions.com/2007-Eli-Manning-Game-Worn-and-Photomatched-Signed-LOT8381.aspx

[Roady]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

If this is true it is disgusting but should not be a surprise.
Even those who seem to have everything want more.

[dplettn]

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It's been my impression on a few occasions (ie: misleading autograph inscriptions pertaining to use) that Steiner has lower standards than they could/should. I still remember applauding the Chicago Cubs for bringing their GU program internal. I haven't known anything about the NY Giants or Eli Manning's memorabilia practices but it definitely brings up some issues. I have game used bats and ticket stubs that are PSA/DNA authenticated and some jerseys that were PSA/DNA authenticated for NFL Auctions. Can the sticker really be as relevant to a football jersey as a baseball bat? In my opinion, no. One has the most rigorous scientific standard of certainty possible. What's the sticker really mean for an NFL Auctions item though?

I'm not fully confident merely because something came from an NFL team... what if that team or league doesn't have respect for our hobby? Or, rigorously high standards for itself? I believe I've seen enough reason to be doubtful of the Arizona Cardinals and New York Giants. Anyway, teams' standards is exactly the problem this legal case seems to isolate for our hobby. In the case of NFL items up for auction I'd like to know which ones are photo-matched as a supplement to provenance, and which are not. My standards of confidence in the items differ from one to the other.


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[GMEN92]

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I wonder what members here have any of this stuff? Anyone want to share what Giants gear that have obtained through Steiner?

I have an eli helmet that I acquired from a friend after he had some thoughts about it because wasn't finding any match..
As I continued to search and search I was shocked to find out I could NOT find one match at all..
And now this hits the news and BINGO.. I guess I have one of the Faked helmets that's in question...

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

eli helmet

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Back side

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Front side

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Steiner coas

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

I will also say that I do know the person that owns and has the real game used Super Bowl 42 helmet as well as about 25 more helmets from that Super Bowl. , and I will say that I have seen the helmet in person and actually photo matched it as well and it is indeed without any doubt the actual helmet eli wore in the game ..

So I will strongly agree with the facts released that the eli helmet in the hall of fame is definitely not the helmet he wore in the game.
Again there is no question about it. ....

Now I wonder what my next step will or should be as after reading all this and being sick to my stomach over the amount of money spent and having some faith in the Steiner COA and thinking I would find a match for my eli helmet .. And now NOTHING...

[GMEN92]

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Hall of fame eli vs the eli he owns to the actual game photos.. .

Sorry for large pics I don't know how to make smaller.. But maybe the fact there bigger will help YOUS see the matches ..


And I am one that strongly can care less about a paper COA. Or loa.. I mostly go by photo matching because 95% of the time there's no lying or doubt with a perfect match.. ..
This all is just unbelievable and they need to figure out who put theses fakes on the market.. And as a die hard giants fan.. I can't believe this would happen .

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Hall of fame vs. Game used

[Enyouartist]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia law suit

When something like this happens, and if true, how much liability should be placed on the memorabilia company selling to collectors? Like with Steiner, should they be considered innocent because they took Eli's word that the items were game used, or do they have a responsibility to photo match the items before selling them to the public? It's worrying to also hear that when buyers returned some items to Steiner saying the items couldn't be photomatched, that they did not investigate further and instead just sold it again to someone else.

Plausible deniability.