It's a darn shame: Part 327

[JasonM33]

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With all due respect to that person that's nonsense. You can't convince me that cutting somthing into a hundred little pieces isn't destroying it.

[stkmtimo]

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[quote=sylbry;29091]

I've got an idea! Let's cut the United States Constitution into little tiny pieces and put them into a card. That would make a great collectable. DERP! quote]

Funny you should say that. I got into a heated discussion a year ago or so when this topic was brought up on the Vintage Baseball Card Forum. I used the Constitution example too.

The other person's point was basically jersey cards benefit more people because more people will be able to own a piece of history versus one person locking it up in their collection.

I used to believe that argument, too, but most people want the cards not for their historical value but for their monetary value.

Tim

[JasonM33]

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Exactly!

[Eric]

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I think it would be important to know where they buy their jerseys from. If they got them straight from the team that would be one thing, but we know they rely on auction houses as well.

UD depends on trusted sellers when buying autographs. I wonder who donruss leaf's trusted sellers are for football and baseball.

Does anyone know how to find out this information?
Eric

I heard from a hobby member today with knowledge of the situation with card companies and game used products. Here's how he put it

"Card companies are allowed only to buy baseball jerseys from dealers approved by Major League Baseball.

Of course they can still purchase from players and teams.

Current basketball jerseys are only allowed to be purchased from the teams. Teams are not allowed to profit from this. Teams sell the jerseys to the card companies at the prices that Reebok charges them to replace the jerseys, I believe $150 or so a jersey. NBA does not want to market game used jerseys.

Football, I do not know who they buy from. I assume they buy from any of their regular dealers and auction houses. "

[sylbry]

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I can't remember if I had posted this in the past. There was a short lived thread on the PSA message boards (soon after deleted) about a guy who took the jersey swatch out of a card after the card was accidentally damaged. I believe the card was of Torii Hunter but on the backside of the jersey swatch was a sticker that said Manny Ramirez. Pictures of the card and jersey swatch with sticker were posted. I believe the card was made by Donruss/Playoff.

It could have been a rare mistake, who knows. But it does make you wonder 1) is the jersey authentic and 2) is it really from said player.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Game used cards are a scam, plain and simple.

[ryan4fregosi]

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The other person's point was basically jersey cards benefit more people because more people will be able to own a piece of history versus one person locking it up in their collection.

How very socialist of them.

I still say the logical endgame of this "craze" is the Player Card...literally, deceased ballplayers dismembered and distributed on the hobby's ultimate chase cards.

Get UD on the phone: Trade ya two of Joe Niekro's toes for some cremated Kirby Puckett?

[Birdbats]

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Here's one even more worse. It's from the November 2005 issue of Beckett Baseball showing pieces leftovers of cut-up uniforms

Here's an interesting tidbit. According to the Cardinals, the jersey style attributed to Dizzy Dean (pictured above) wasn't used until after Dean left the team. Through 1935, the piping on Cardinals jerseys stopped at the bat and didn't extend down through the team name. The piping did extend to the belt line in 1936 and 1937, but it was two-colored (red and blue on home jerseys, red and white on road jerseys). Dean's last year with the Cards was 1937. The team didn't switch to solid red piping until Dean was pitching for the Cubs.

[Birdbats]

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Here's a photo of Dean wearing a 1936-37 home jersey with the red/blue piping. It's in black and white, but you can still tell it's two colors.



Here's a photo of Dean in a 1936-37 road jersey with the red/white piping.

[Birdbats]

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For reference, here's a shot of Dean taken sometime after 1940 -- you can tell because of the zipper, the solid piping down the front and the piping on the shoulder. The Cardinals, I'm told, hosted reunion games and other events where players would appear on the field in jerseys. My hunch is that the Dean jersey sacrificed by Upper Deck was one of these post-career jerseys.