Don Mattingly's disgrace

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  • Roady
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 1430

    #91
    Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

    Originally posted by ShaimOnYou
    OK, so Clayton Kershaw dominates this season, wins his third Cy Young in 4 years, then takes home the NL MVP hardware, the first pitcher to do so since Bob Gibson in '68. A mere 46 years in the making for that feat to be accomplished.

    But he can't win a lowly play-off game against the Cardinals after leading both games into the seventh? REALLY?

    He went 21-3 this year. And the Dodgers get a clump of coal in a burlap sack for Christmas when he appears in the "money games"?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............................



    WAKE UP DODGER BRASS........FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Just proof that, like Verlander and his MVP season, Kershaw racked up wins against inferior competition during the season and failed against tougher competition in the playoffs.

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    • ShaimOnYou
      Banned
      • Jul 2014
      • 179

      #92
      Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

      Originally posted by Roady
      Just proof that, like Verlander and his MVP season, Kershaw racked up wins against inferior competition during the season and failed against tougher competition in the playoffs.
      Roady,

      ROFLMAO!!!!! That's a great one, thanks for the laughs!!

      But in case you were being serious, please check out Kershaw's game logs this 2014 season:



      He had 27 starts for the Dodgers in 2014. A quick glance through them will show you the following:

      His 21 wins came against the following teams, the number showing how many times he beat them, and his winning % facing them in 2014 in games he got a decision:

      (PLEASE NOTE: The 3 Asterisks denote play-off teams; 5 Asterisks, eventual World Series teams; 10 Asterisks, the NL team with the best record in MLB in 2014

      Arizona.........................3 75%
      Atlanta.........................1 100%
      Chicago Cubs.................1 100%
      Chicago White Sox..........1 100%
      Colorado.......................3 100%
      Kansas City...................1 100%*****
      Milwaukee.....................1 50%
      Philadelphia...................1 100%
      San Diego.....................3 100%
      San Francisco................3 100%*****
      St. Louis.......................1 100%***
      Washington...................2 100%**********

      He had three "No Decisions", one each against:

      L.A. Angels
      San Francisco Giants
      St. Louis Cardinals


      Of those three, the Dodgers ending up winning the games against the Angels and Cardinals, lost the one to the Giants.

      His three losses this year came against:

      Arizona
      Cincinnati
      Milwaukee

      All three of his LOSSES came against NON PLAY-OFF TEAMS.

      He was DEAD NUTS GOLDEN against the GOOD TEAMS, winning 100% of his decisions against them ALL.

      Pure unadulterated dominance. And Mattingly single-handedly destroyed him in game one's 105 degree heat by letting him die on the mound, and again on three days rest in game four once he showed signs of tiring and his pitches became elevated. KERSHAW DID HIS JOB. HE HAD BOTH GAMES WON. But BUFFOON DON is calling the shots!! Or NOT when he should!!

      Downright shameful at the major league level. How the Dodger suits are allowing this to transpire on their clock, and DIME, is absolutely beyond explanation. L.A.'s fan base is disenchanted. I guess we'll have to live through one more disappointing LOSING season in 2015 before they fire the doof.

      And we could have had Joe Maddon. This is demoralizing.

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      • Roady
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 1430

        #93
        Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

        Originally posted by ShaimOnYou
        Roady,

        ROFLMAO!!!!! That's a great one, thanks for the laughs!!

        But in case you were being serious, please check out Kershaw's game logs this 2014 season:



        He had 27 starts for the Dodgers in 2014. A quick glance through them will show you the following:

        His 21 wins came against the following teams, the number showing how many times he beat them, and his winning % facing them in 2014 in games he got a decision:

        (PLEASE NOTE: The 3 Asterisks denote play-off teams; 5 Asterisks, eventual World Series teams; 10 Asterisks, the NL team with the best record in MLB in 2014

        Arizona.........................3 75%
        Atlanta.........................1 100%
        Chicago Cubs.................1 100%
        Chicago White Sox..........1 100%
        Colorado.......................3 100%
        Kansas City...................1 100%*****
        Milwaukee.....................1 50%
        Philadelphia...................1 100%
        San Diego.....................3 100%
        San Francisco................3 100%*****
        St. Louis.......................1 100%***
        Washington...................2 100%**********

        He had three "No Decisions", one each against:

        L.A. Angels
        San Francisco Giants
        St. Louis Cardinals


        Of those three, the Dodgers ending up winning the games against the Angels and Cardinals, lost the one to the Giants.

        His three losses this year came against:

        Arizona
        Cincinnati
        Milwaukee

        All three of his LOSSES came against NON PLAY-OFF TEAMS.

        He was DEAD NUTS GOLDEN against the GOOD TEAMS, winning 100% of his decisions against them ALL.

        Pure unadulterated dominance. And Mattingly single-handedly destroyed him in game one's 105 degree heat by letting him die on the mound, and again on three days rest in game four once he showed signs of tiring and his pitches became elevated. KERSHAW DID HIS JOB. HE HAD BOTH GAMES WON. But BUFFOON DON is calling the shots!! Or NOT when he should!!

        Downright shameful at the major league level. How the Dodger suits are allowing this to transpire on their clock, and DIME, is absolutely beyond explanation. L.A.'s fan base is disenchanted. I guess we'll have to live through one more disappointing LOSING season in 2015 before they fire the doof.

        And we could have had Joe Maddon. This is demoralizing.
        Yawn

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        • xpress34
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2648

          #94
          Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

          Originally posted by Roady
          Yawn
          +1

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          • ShaimOnYou
            Banned
            • Jul 2014
            • 179

            #95
            Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

            Hey guys,

            I welcome the disagreement, really.

            But the real yawner here is the fact the Dodgers never had a better chance in history to win a World Series as they did THIS YEAR.

            They could have easily beat the Cardinals if their manager had half a baseball brain. He doesn't, so they lost.

            They OWNED San Francisco in 2014, and Puig always gets under Bumgarner's skin. The Dodgers would have beat the Giants handily. The opportunity never came because their manager had already led them off the cliff.

            And let's just be real: The Kansas City fairy tale went on way longer than it should have. The American League was weak this year.

            The table was set. This was the Dodger's year to win it ALL. They just had to GET there.

            Enter "DOH"n Mattingly. GOOD NIGHT.

            And to the yawners, sweet dreams.

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            • rdeversole
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 835

              #96
              Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

              Originally posted by Roady
              Yawn
              +1 Yikes. #nuts
              - CINCINNATI REDS/JOEY VOTTO BATS
              Email: rdeversole@gmail.com Twitter: @dugoutrelics

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              • ShaimOnYou
                Banned
                • Jul 2014
                • 179

                #97
                Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                Originally posted by rdeversole
                +1 Yikes. #nuts
                I get the yawn agreement, but what does "#nuts" mean?

                I guess some here think a pitcher can dominate during the regular season, then completely suck when he gets into postseason and that makes sense? If it were true that Kershaw only won all season long vs. inferior teams, I wouldn't have ever started this thread.

                Kershaw dominated everyone, all season long.

                You guys really think a pitcher who is winning a post-season game 6-2 should be left in after giving up four straight frozen-rope base hits in the 7th inning after pitching 100 pitches in 105 degree heat? I don't know, you think maybe something at that point might give a baseball guy the impression that, something is amiss? Like maybe the stud who had done his JOB....WAS TIRED???

                After reviewing the events that led to Kershaw's crooked numbers in postseason play, as I've done here, I am simply arguing the obvious. The whole Dodgers post season experience was "crooked".

                In simply pointing out the errors in Roady's statement that Kershaw's dominance was against only "inferior" competition, a statement that was completely inaccurate, I apparently made some of you drowsy. I do apologize. I'm just a Dodger fan sick of watching a great team LOSE directly because of the actions of their ill-equipped manager. Saying "They just didn't perform", or "They just didn't get it done", or "They lost to a better team" doesn't appear to be factual. For the last time (I promise), they were winning or tied in EVERY one of the 4 games they played against the Cardinals through 6 innings. Their starters were awesome. The decisions on how to handle the starters, stunk to high hell.

                Chris (not opinionated, just calling out the obvious)

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                • Roady
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 1430

                  #98
                  Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                  Originally posted by ShaimOnYou
                  I get the yawn agreement, but what does "#nuts" mean?

                  I guess some here think a pitcher can dominate during the regular season, then completely suck when he gets into postseason and that makes sense?
                  Let's ask Justin Verlander. He says yes.

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                  • ShaimOnYou
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 179

                    #99
                    Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                    Originally posted by Roady
                    Let's ask Justin Verlander. He says yes.
                    I think that was a different situation. I really believe he was injured, and has never been the same.

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                    • Roady
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 1430

                      Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                      Originally posted by ShaimOnYou
                      I think that was a different situation. I really believe he was injured, and has never been the same.
                      I will be glad to look at your medical report if you have it.

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                      • onlyalbert
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 918

                        Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                        Again I say the Cards have his and the Dodgers number! Did you not watch the 2011 WS? Again I say the Dodgers might pay Kershaw, but the Cards OWN him! They brought in the reliever and we spanked him too. Will do it again next year........

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                        • ShaimOnYou
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 179

                          Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                          Originally posted by onlyalbert
                          Again I say the Cards have his and the Dodgers number! Did you not watch the 2011 WS? Again I say the Dodgers might pay Kershaw, but the Cards OWN him! They brought in the reliever and we spanked him too. Will do it again next year........
                          onlyalbert,

                          I watched the entire 2011 World Series. It was one of the best W.S. ever.

                          I don't remember seeing Kershaw in the 2011 World Series, however. As far as 2014 goes, Kershaw had pinned down your Red Bird's wings with a 2-hitter going into the 7th, leading 6-2. I'd say that was a spanking all by itself. When the WHOLE WORLD (save Dandie-Don) saw Clayton had finally run out gas, the Dodger buffoon manager left him on the vine to die. No mound visit after three straight singles, and no one up in the pen. All game, 105 degree heat. The decision to leave him in until he was pummeled, relentlessly, to the point of losing the lead (on the way to an 8-run 7th), was nothing short of confirmation that this idiot running the troops was deaf, dumb, and blind. Confirmation that his stupidity from the 2013 play-offs was, indeed, all Don was capable of!! As it was, your birds barely hung on to win 10-9, even after that buffoon-for-ages mishandling of our pitching staff. It fries my soul Mattingly wasn't fired following that GAME, let alone the SERIES.

                          So the Cardinals own Clayton Kershaw, really? A strong manager takes that game for the Dodgers. Hell, I could have managed the Dodgers to a WIN that game. The Cardinals are a sound organization, one of baseball's pride and joy elite franchises, but the Dodgers should have handed them an exit this year. You know it, and I know it, your fanhood aside. You guys got lucky that we have a complete GOOF for a manager.

                          And I agree with you 100%. With Mattingly driving the ship, you guys will no doubt do it again next year.

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                          • Roady
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 1430

                            Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                            Pretty sad when the best pitcher in MLB, as many believe, can't go past 7 innings in the heat in the playoffs.

                            Warren Spahn says to tell Kershaw to man up.

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                            • slab0meat
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 526

                              Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                              I've done a 180 and now really love that this thread stays alive and can be used as evidence one day.

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                              • Mark17
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2006
                                • 379

                                Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace

                                Originally posted by Roady
                                Pretty sad when the best pitcher in MLB, as many believe, can't go past 7 innings in the heat in the playoffs.

                                Warren Spahn says to tell Kershaw to man up.
                                Right. Mattingly probably thought his best pitcher was man enough to do his job.

                                I remember 1991, Game 7, Jack Morris taking the mound in the tenth inning. If the manager had tried to take him out of the game, there would've been a physical altercation. And Morris wasn't protecting a huge 6-2 lead either, he was pitching his guts out in a 0-0 tie.

                                Then there's the famous story of Bob Gibson getting in a little trouble and his catcher, Tim McCarver, starting to go out to talk to him. "Get back there where you belong, the only thing you know about pitching is that it's hard to hit!" Gibson shouted.

                                Guys like Morris and Gibson loved the pressure. They did their jobs and thrived in tough spots. Instead of blaming Mattingly for Kershaw's failings, maybe Mattingly was just mistaken thinking he had a thoroughbred on the mound who could get his act together.

                                But apparently, after giving up three straight hits, Kershaw needed a hug that Donnie didn't provide. That might make Donnie a poor parental figure in the dugout, for his more insecure players, but going with your ace, holding a 4 run lead, doesn't sound so dumb to me.

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