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01-14-2015, 08:00 PM #1
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01-14-2015, 09:21 PM #2
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Re: HOF voting
Correct. His ability to hit for contact, hit for power and quick bat speed led to his hitting .336 w/ 46 HR.
1992 (age-27 season):
140 G, 109 R, 147 H, 36 2B, 5 3B, 34 HR, 103 RBI, 39 SB, 8 CS, 127 BB
1993 (age-28 season):
159 G, 129 R, 181 H, 38 2B, 4 3B, 46 HR, 123 RBI, 29 SB, 12 CS, 126 BB
He played 13.6% more games in 1993. He hit 35.3% more HRs in 1993. His batting average improved by 8%.
Those aren't extreme changes.
1994 (age-29 season):
112 G, 89 R, 122 H, 18 2B, 1 3B, 37 HR, 74 RB, 29 SB, 9 CS, 74 BB
1995 (age-30 season):
144 G, 109 R, 149 H, 30 2B, 7 3B, 33 HR, 104 RBI, 31 SB, 10 CS, 120 BB
If we go with your conclusion that Bonds used steroids from 1993, how do you explain 1994 and 1995? Did Bonds decide that he shouldn't use steroids anymore? His 1992 and 1995 seasons are nearly identical.
The simpler (and far more logical) conclusion is that Bonds matured during his prime and learned to maximize his skill set.
The difference in 1998 and 1999 statistics are far more drastic (and indicative of something changing).
1998 (age-33 season):
156 G, 120 R, 167 H, 44 2B, 7 3B, 37 HR, 122 RBI, 28 SB, 12 CS, 130 BB
1999 (age-34 season):
102 G, 91 R, 93 H, 20 2B, 2 3B, 34 HR, 83 RBI, 15 SB, 2 CS, 73 BB
Another thing to consider is that Bonds' career unfortunately also involved three home ballparks:
1986(21)-1992(27): Three Rivers Stadium (335 RF)
1993(28)-1999(34): Candlestick Park (328 RF)
2000(35)-2007(42): Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park (309 RF)
The 309 RF foul pole made that a left-handed pull-hitter's dream. If you got the ball over the 24 ft wall, it was a HR. If you didn't clear the wall, the ball would take a wicked bounce, and the batter would be awarded with a double or triple.
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01-14-2015, 10:10 PM #3
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In my mind Bonds is a cheater and got what he got with artificial help from illegal drugs. I believe wholly that he started taking PED's full time in 1993 and was experimenting with them in 1992. Bonds wanted to move to San Fran for a reason.
I can't say anymore because every time I defend my point of view on this site I get an email from administration because some people want me off of here and report my post as hostile or baiting. I am down to my last warning so I must be very careful of what I say.
Have a good day and believe what you want.
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01-15-2015, 02:04 AM #4
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Roady, I think I'm vocal in my opinion, but when I say things, I do my best to back up my opinions with facts. To my knowledge, I've never received an email warning, and I also feel that certain members can be hostile at times. How many warnings are people given that you'd be down to your last one already?
That said, I don't get how defending your claim/theory that Bonds started using PEDs in 1992 would get you banned. Just use facts and statistics to support your claim.
San Francisco is Bonds' hometown. He was offered a contract by them coming out of HS, but opted for college. SF made him the highest paid player in MLB history when he signed in 1993 (as a free agent). You're right. He wanted to move home.
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01-15-2015, 06:02 AM #5
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I received 2 warnings.
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01-15-2015, 07:58 PM #6
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I thought the commonly held belief -- and I'm not interested in Bonds enough to care to look it up -- was that he started juicing because he was jealous of all the attention McGwire and Sosa were getting. A quick look at his stats, to me, show that to be where he jumped to superhuman status.
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01-15-2015, 10:01 PM #7
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He averaged 25 HR's a year his first 7 years. Even taking away his first year in which he only played 113 games his average for the next 6 years was 26.6 a year.
Hit hit 46 in 1993. Nearly double his average. I really doubt if any players HR totals nearly double just because of moving from Pittsburgh to San Fransisco.