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    Re: Roger Maris and Hank Aaron HR champs?

    Roady is not the only one who believes that Maris and Mantle may have had help in 1961...I have suspected it for years.

    I don't think steroids were being used back then, but it is a fact testosterone was being injected by weightlifters in the 1950s. Hair loss is a direct side effect. The accepted story is that Maris' hair fell out due to stress. I challenge someone to name any other person in the 140 years of professional baseball whose hair fell out due to stress. Mickey had a hip abscess from an injection...they admit to that. I don't recall many other cases of that either.

    I've heard Mickey Mantle experts innocently admit that if Mickey thought he could take something to hit more HRs, he would probably have tried it. If they were taking stuff, Maris clearly was uncomfortable with the limelight and stopped...he hit 33 HR the next year. If a guy had an outlier year like that in the 90s, he would surely be accused of something.

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    Re: Roger Maris and Hank Aaron HR champs?

    So were players like Norm Cash and Jim Gentile who also had career years in 1961 using PED's? And why did these then young players stop after that year? They never had a year like 1961 again. Or could it have been weak expansion year pitching from pitchers who would not have been in the majors other wise on all the AL teams and not PED's that led to career years by a number of hitters in 1961. Was Mantle on something with his 50 plus home runs and .350 average in 1956. Hell, maybe Ruth was on steroids when he hit his 60 home runs, about as many as some whole teams hit in 1927. And, best guess of all, it was PED's that caused Lou Gehrig's death. There is always someone to trash the accomplishments of others with no proof, just speculation.

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    Re: Roger Maris and Hank Aaron HR champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cjclong View Post
    So were players like Norm Cash and Jim Gentile who also had career years in 1961 using PED's? And why did these then young players stop after that year? They never had a year like 1961 again. Or could it have been weak expansion year pitching from pitchers who would not have been in the majors other wise on all the AL teams and not PED's that led to career years by a number of hitters in 1961. Was Mantle on something with his 50 plus home runs and .350 average in 1956. Hell, maybe Ruth was on steroids when he hit his 60 home runs, about as many as some whole teams hit in 1927. And, best guess of all, it was PED's that caused Lou Gehrig's death. There is always someone to trash the accomplishments of others with no proof, just speculation.
    Any given year, many will have career years. If the poor pitching explains Maris huge jump, why didn't Killebrew, Collavito or Brooks Robinson have similar years?

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    Re: Roger Maris and Hank Aaron HR champs?

    Not every player has an exceptional year every year regardless of the conditions. Brooks Robinson was a relatively new player in the league and didn't come into his own until the next year when he began to hit for power and was never a guy that hit more than the low 20's in home runs in his best years. Colavito did have a career year for home runs, 45. He never hit 40 again. So he could well be regarded as another one who had a big year he didn't repeat. No matter what someone does there is always someone who want to speculate they cheated in some way with no hard evidence.

 

 

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