Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

[AKSaint]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

That is one of the problems with these sellers. I know for a fact that they do sell some authentic game balls as I have watched them win several eBay auctions, jack up the price, and then attempt to resell. On the other hand, they have also altered several of the game balls they have purchased and then attempted to sell them for ridiculous prices.

I know it is a pain but if we can keep documenting their indiscretions in this thread it can likely be used against them, when someone gets fed up enough to go through the effort of contacting the authorities...

[Krsoneus]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

There are several threads about this seller modifying footballs on ebay.
I just came across the original listing of one of the footballs they currently have listed.

Looks like they added the #1 to the football... I can't see the left side of the ball, they may have added the ref # 132 also.

AFTER :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Orleans-Saints-Oakland-Raiders-Game-Used-Football-Signed-Drew-Brees-JSA-COA-/232263715428?hash=item3613ff0a64:g:nQwAAOSwA3dYNObG

BEFORE :

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/authentic-game-used-football-1835104250

[AKSaint]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

Thanks for the post Kevin. I just sent off an email to JSA's 2 locations just to inform them that their JSA card is being included on a questionable football. Not sure they will care but thought I would bring this topic out in the open a little more...

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Dear JSA Sports,

I am sending this email to you to inform you of an ebay seller in Texas (actually 2 related sellers) who routinely buy generic NFL issued footballs or presentation footballs of lesser players and forge them to fake Game Used footballs by adding Referee markings or changing out the player names to high profile players on Presentation Footballs. The ebay handles for these sellers are: usrub_vkwjmozkr (274 ) and momtoluisandkati (1385 ). There are several extensive threads on Game Used Universe about these two sellers with photos of the before and after balls.

While they do seem to sell some legitimate balls, several are reworked or forged and sold for very high prices up to $2000. The most current ball in question was purchased by this reseller and is seen in the link below. It includes your JSA Certification card. It is a New Orleans Saints ball that was double signed by Drew Brees and initially sold without Referee markings. Markings have been added and now they are selling it as a GU ball with these fraudulent markings. I do realize that your card is only certifying the signature, but thought that you might be interested that unscrupulous sellers are profiting off your reputation as a signature authentication service and selling fraudulent balls.

If you are not familiar with these threads, please take a few minutes to look over them. Some of the posts demonstrate very conclusive examples of the modifications to previously purchased balls and some are just more speculation.

Any recommendations on how to proceed to assist in stopping these 2 sellers for defrauding buyers and promoting a very bad name for the game used collecting community as well as your reputation would be appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,


Bob Gengler
AK Saint

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Original ebay listing Brees double signed ball:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...all-1835104250

Current Forged Listing Brees double signed ball:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Orleans-...wAAOSwA3dYNObG

Here is a link to one of the Game Used Universe threads about these sellers:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=66508

[AKSaint]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

Just thought I would pull some of the older threads about <usrub> and <momto> together in one place:

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http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=69286

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=65692

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=65828

[yanks12025]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

We should also save before and after photos of the balls here. Because eventually they will disappear off eBay. That saints ball is a joke

[yanks12025]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

Photos of after

[yanks12025]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

Before

[yanks12025]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

AK Saint,

I changed your message little and sent it to a current NFL ref who is also a lawyer, maybe he knows someone in the NFL that would actually care.

[Briggsd719]

Re: Fraudulent Game Used Football on eBay

I thought about buying the ball because if you look at Getty images you see a td catch by Travis Cadet using a number 1 ball. A little more research I found that the markings on the ball were actually on the right side of real ball not the left. He screwed up. Thank goodness I didn't buy. I sent seller an email got the whole good day, glad to see you are doing well but then said he got from a trusted dealer but knew all about refs and markings.
On the plus side I used money I was gonna use on this ball and bought a patriots ball which by all accounts checks out from seller thechamp33 he didn't seem to know a lot about his balls said he got from his cousin who works for a team. He told me ball was used in 2013 or 2014 I did a little research based off location he's from and found all his balls matched up to refs to colts games. They date anywhere between 2009 through 2012. If anybody is a Ravens fan I found out that the Ravens ball is from 2009 playoffs against the colts. The niners ball was used in 4 games Up til November 1 2009 against colts. The packers ball was used in preseason 2011 against colts. Some cool stuff which I'm 99% sure is legit. Not fans of those teams otherwise I would purchase.