Lou Gehrig attributed Glove. LOL

[Marshall]

FWIW: This isn't the first time a baseball glove had less than stellar authentication methods. A bit over 10 years ago, an authenticator needed to verify a Joe Morgan glove. His method: tossing it to me as I stood in an autograph line awaiting Morgan's signature while he sidled up behind Morgan and asked me to show him the mitt while he listened to Morgan's comments. Morgan did believe it to be his.

Dave Miedema

Hello Dave,

Specifically enlighten me as to what specific authentication methods you would personally recommend as I respect your opinion. Or inform me as to what authentication methods would be used elsewhere.

-We can reference the size and weights of the two most recent sales of Gehrig gloves sold at auction.
-We can reference Draper & Maynard manufacturing records and catalogues from the period.
-We can document Gehrig's endorsement contracts with glove makers.
-We can even document his known glove styles worn during specific periods of his career.
-We can take into account the history of the glove from the consignor.
-We can even pull up hundreds of editorial images of Gehrig with the Yankees wearing an almost identical glove.

With only two known examples in the hobby (none being photo-matched) and this being the first rookie era glove I am beyond open to hearing expert opinions from serious vintage collectors and authenticators. The glove dates to almost a century ago so we obviously aren't going to get a player letter, Team LOA or MLB Authentication.

The glove is Authentic in my opinion. All auction houses have opinions. All authenticators have opinions.

If anyone can prove that the glove is not authentic I will pull the lot immediately. If someone has any additional historical support of the glove I will update the auction listing.

[yanks12025]

Hello Dave,

Specifically enlighten me as to what specific authentication methods you would personally recommend as I respect your opinion. Or inform me as to what authentication methods would be used elsewhere.

-We can reference the size and weights of the two most recent sales of Gehrig gloves sold at auction.
-We can reference Draper & Maynard manufacturing records and catalogues from the period.
-We can document Gehrig's endorsement contracts with glove makers.
-We can even document his known glove styles worn during specific periods of his career.
-We can take into account the history of the glove from the consignor.
-We can even pull up hundreds of editorial images of Gehrig with the Yankees wearing an almost identical glove.

With only two known examples in the hobby (none being photo-matched) and this being the first rookie era glove I am beyond open to hearing expert opinions from serious vintage collectors and authenticators. The glove dates to almost a century ago so we obviously aren't going to get a player letter, Team LOA or MLB Authentication.

The glove is Authentic in my opinion. All auction houses have opinions. All authenticators have opinions.

If anyone can prove that the glove is not authentic I will pull the lot immediately. If someone has any additional historical support of the glove I will update the auction listing.

You haven't even proved that it's real!!!! Lol. Where is the "solid provenance" that you mention in your description.

As I stated before, it wouldn't be hard to find a glove similar to this one. So are you gonna call that also attributed to Gehrig.

[Marshall]

Hello Yanks,

Please provide factual information. I'm not interested in debating with you as your conversation here doesn't lead me (or any other collector who is reading this) to believe that you've done any research on this particular item that would equip you to offer any accurate information in regards to this particular item. Where is your research? I would love for you to post it here as I want the hobby to be fully informed and your informed educated opinion is important to me and many others who read this thread.....


As Stated Earlier.......

Specifically enlighten me as to what specific authentication methods you would personally recommend.

-We can reference the size and weights of the two most recent sales of Gehrig gloves sold at auction.
-We can reference Draper & Maynard manufacturing records and catalogues from the period.
-We can document Gehrig's endorsement contracts with glove makers.
-We can even document his known glove styles worn during specific periods of his career.
-We can take into account the history of the glove according to the consignor which attributes the glove to Gehrig. Also, the glove comes from one of the greatest Yankees collections on earth.
-We can even pull up hundreds of editorial images of Gehrig with the Yankees wearing an almost identical glove.

With only two known examples in the hobby (none being photo-matched) and this being the first rookie era glove I am beyond open to hearing expert opinions from serious vintage collectors and authenticators. The glove dates to almost a century ago so we obviously aren't going to get a player letter, Team LOA or MLB Authentication.

The glove is Authentic in my opinion. All auction houses have opinions. All authenticators have opinions.

If anyone can prove that the glove is not authentic I will pull the lot immediately. If someone has any additional historical support of the glove I will update the auction listing.

[Phil316]

Marshall,


Your reputation follows you, remember that. Goodluck.

[Marshall]

Marshall,


Your reputation follows you, remember that. Goodluck.

Thank you Phil316 and I apologize for the tone of my previous comment. That reputation rule applies to all of us and I wouldn't mind peacefully speaking with you privately not on a grand stage such as the forum as I would like to share some pertinent information with you. Further, I am always looking more information as I am first and foremost an authenticator. I've have successfully photomatched over $3 million in game used memorabilia over the last 10 years.

"Lou Gehrig attributed Glove. LOL". So many GUU members have an unrelenting thirst for negativity. This title alone was a major insult to my business, the consignor and my body of work. I'm standing up for authentic items being auctioned off to the collecting community. If someone brings facts to the table, I can work with that information to protect collectors as I have done since this discussion started. I don't mind a healthy discussion and thank you for your input.

[Phil316]

Marshall,

We are a fairly tight community here on GUU. We try and tell it like it is. If something bothers us or rubs us the wrong way we discuss it.

[3arod13]

I think an opinion or photo style match just isn't enough for a piece like this. We are talking big $$$ and there just has to be more than just that. But it is a great looking early glove!

[sherbal15]

Thank you Phil316 and I apologize for the tone of my previous comment. That reputation rule applies to all of us and I wouldn't mind peacefully speaking with you privately not on a grand stage such as the forum as I would like to share some pertinent information with you. Further, I am always looking more information as I am first and foremost an authenticator. I've have successfully photomatched over $3 million in game used memorabilia over the last 10 years.

"Lou Gehrig attributed Glove. LOL". So many GUU members have an unrelenting thirst for negativity. This title alone was a major insult to my business, the consignor and my body of work. I'm standing up for authentic items being auctioned off to the collecting community. If someone brings facts to the table, I can work with that information to protect collectors as I have done since this discussion started. I don't mind a healthy discussion and thank you for your input.

Perhaps it would help to describe the origins of the glove? How did the consignor obtain it? Can you somehow link it's past to Gehrig? I know it's not a smoking gun, but it could go a long way with bidders to know it's history. Just my two cents.

[Marshall]

• This glove was purchased by the consignor in the mid 80's at an estate sale as a Lou Gehrig Game Worn Glove during the earliest part of his career. The estate sale had a number of rare New York Yankee items from this era including signed contracts, personal artifacts from players, game used bats and so on that were purchased by the consignor.
• Also note that the consignor of the glove owns one of the finest private New York Yankees 1920-1940 Collections in existence.
• It is a proven fact that Lou Gehrig wore a Draper & Maynard Model #652 Model (Right Hand) 1st Base Mitt during a number of games from 1923 until 1926.
• The glove is original as manufactured according to Draper & Maynard catalogues from the era.
• The glove is of accurate size and weight according two other Lou Gehrig attributed gloves that have recently sold at auction. (Neither being photomatched or guaranteed game used)
• Extremely similar gloves are seen worn by Gehrig in a number of photos from 1923-1926 while playing for the New York Yankees.
• Usually provenance on an item that is almost a century old is just a story. The century old story of the original acquiring of the glove from Gehrig is absent but the details of the history of him using this exact right hand D&M model #652 glove are accurate and present. Hopefully bidders will bid according to their confidence in the information provided.

Thanks to all GUU members who have posted or viewed this thread. This is my final post. For further information please contact me at info@infiniteauctions.com