Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

[GameBats]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

The Yankees did wear the memorial armband during the 2000 World Series. If you look closely you can see it on Cansecos left sleeve.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Wow, so much to respond to. (Honestly, I don't think half as much analysis goes on inside the big auction houses or authentication companies as goes on in this forum).

re: canseco & wells jersey sizes.
Bigtime: I don't think it was 'people' who believed Canseco and Wells wore the same size jersey, it was me! I'm the culprit. You're completely right though. They didn't wear the same size. (I failed to realize how gargantuan Boomer has gotten. Who'd have thought he'd take a bigger jersey than Cecil Fielder or McGwire?!).
Anyways, Canseco would've taken a 48 or 50 in 2000 and Boomer a 54 or 56. It's a fact that Canseco wore #33 in the 2000 World Series and Boomer was off from playing the year in Toronto.
So either:
a) the Steiner jersey is a typo. Somebody fell asleep at the wheel and typed "Wells" instead of "Canseco" twice.
b) Canseco wore Wells' old size 54/56 jersey for the 2000 World Series? I still think it's too much of a coincidence that they're both #33 and the largest guys on the Yankees.
Any other possible explanations or insight into what this jersey really is?
Steiner doesn't say what size the jersey is. They also don't show a picture of the tagging. Both of those would solve this mystery.

re: 2000 black armbands.
Woops. The Yankees wore black armbands on their left sleeve in 2000 to honor the passing of Bob Lemon who died January 11, 2000.
Oddly enough this information is absent from both Bill Henderson's guide and the Baseball HOF list of 'memorial patches/armbands'.

Swoboda:
Personally I'd keep it because I like Canseco. But I'd also never buy a Wells to start with. So maybe in my case, I wouldn't have bought it because it was a Wells and then would've been disappointed to later learn it was really a Canseco and I missed out on it.
I imagine most people who thought they were getting a Wells and got a Canseco instead wouldn't be too pleased?


Rudy.

[G1X]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Rudy,

You must have overlooked my post (#12). Please let me know.

If you are the one who makes the call, you might get answers to the following questions in your last post:
"So either:
a) the Steiner jersey is a typo. Somebody fell asleep at the wheel and typed "Wells" instead of "Canseco" twice.
b) Canseco wore Wells' old size 54/56 jersey for the 2000 World Series? I still think it's too much of a coincidence that they're both #33 and the largest guys on the Yankees.
Any other possible explanations or insight into what this jersey really is?
Steiner doesn't say what size the jersey is. They also don't show a picture of the tagging. Both of those would solve this mystery.
ery.

It will be interesting to hear what you find out.

Mark Hayne

[kingjammy24]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Mark,

I will contact them. I'll also see if they can send me a
photo of the tagging. For some reason I think Jose has
a better chance at making the majors in 2006 than I do
of getting a pic from them, but I'll try.

Rudy.

[Fraudfinder!!]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

"The polite thing to do would be to contact the seller first and advise them of the oversight before posting the error in this Forum. We would be doing the hobby a great service by doing so - perhaps saving a potential buyer from a lot of heartache (remember, not every collector in the world reads this Forum) and much embarrassment for the seller."


I could not disagree more with the above statement. In my opinion, Rudy did the hobby a "great service" by pointing this out. I really do not believe that the folks at Steiner are or will be embarrassed by this revelation. My biggest fear is now they will market the jersey as a gamer worn by both and Wells and Canseco and the new price will be $25.000!

[G1X]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Rudy,
Thanks. It will be interesting to see how Steiner responds.

Fraudfinder,
In my humble opinion, as both a collector and a dealer, I would certainly hope that someone would point out an error to me and give me a chance to correct it before making a post in a forum such as this. I don't think that anyone is doubting that Rudy did a fine job in discovering this error, it was just my thought that perhaps we should have pointed this out to Steiner and get their response before making a post. If they won't respond quickly or refuse to fix it immediately, then we can shout about it long and loud in this Forum. On the other hand, if they fix the error, then it ends up being a good story (well, at least to some degree as the price of the jersey is another story).

Again, we have to remember that not every collector in the world reads this Forum, so it's best to go to the source to give them a chance to correct the mistake before someone ends up with a misidentified jersey in their collection. Most sellers want to get it right, and any assistance any of us can ever give them to get it right is probably most appreciated.


Mark Hayne

[metsbats86]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

The Yankees wore blackarm bands on their 2000 jerseys to honor Bob Lemon who died that year.

-Regards David

[Fraudfinder!!]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Mark,

Your points are well taken. My main view, which I did not convey, was that I do not believe a company that would charge $50,000 for a game used batting helment from 2005 ,would be "embarrassed" about anything. But you are right, the prices Steiner charges are are probably a topic for another post. Thanks.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Steiner has removed the jersey from their Website due to the "mis-labelling". I spoke with them regarding the jersey and they say it is a Canseco and are now charging $2500 for it.
Regarding the source of the error, they said it was simply a typo on their part and that the tagging does not have a player's name on it.
I wonder how they came up with the original $10k price?

Rudy.

[trsent]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Steiner has removed the jersey from their Website due to the "mis-labelling". I spoke with them regarding the jersey and they say it is a Canseco and are now charging $2500 for it.
Regarding the source of the error, they said it was simply a typo on their part and that the tagging does not have a player's name on it.
I wonder how they came up with the original $10k price?

Now, if David Wells was $10,000.00, I would think Canseco at $2500.00 would be a steal. Am I right?

[DonFan23]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Did they mention if there was a pouch sewn into the inside of the jersey for the 'roids needles, similar to the pouch Earl Weaver had for his smokes?

[bigtime59]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Now, if David Wells was $10,000.00, I would think Canseco at $2500.00 would be a steal. Am I right?

Not by my reckoning, no. I believe that $2500 for a modern-era player of Canseco's "stature" is about $2000 too much. Of course, the fact that I can't afford to drop $2500 on anybody's jersey could be affecting my judgement here, as could the fact that I loathe and detest the Yankee$.

[G1X]

Re: Who's gone crazy - me or Steiner?

Rudy,

Thanks for providing the updated information on this issue. It's good to see that Steiner made the correction. Now, if they will only get right with the prices . . .

Mark Hayne