San Francisco Giants logos

[TNTtoys]

Hi guys,

I am a little confused by different variations on the SF Giants logos, 1977-1982.

Please refer to 3 photos below. The Mitchell and Ness and Majestic jerseys show 1 version of the Giants logo, whereas the game used jersey show a different one, which is (to best of my descripting ability, more "slanty"). I have a 1979 gamer which looks like the gamer below.

Were both logos ever used? Or is the Mitchell and Ness / Majestic wrong?

Thanks,
Nick

[hblakewolf]

Nick-
In a nutshell, both the Majestic and M & N versions of the original 1979 jersey are wrong. I've seen the M & N versions of the various Phillies jerseys, and it's hard to believe they are so "off" from the originals. I could understand this if M & N was trying to replicate an extremely early jersey that they had to rely on photos for, however, do you really think it's that tough to perfectly copy a Giants or Phillies knit from 1979?

I hear folks ranting and raving about how great M & N jerseys are, but I simply can't agree. I've always had the feeling that they make a nice replica, but it's not exact. For $250., one would think they could provide a better product.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[TNTtoys]

Nick-
In a nutshell, both the Majestic and M & N versions of the original 1979 jersey are wrong. I've seen the M & N versions of the various Phillies jerseys, and it's hard to believe they are so "off" from the originals. I could understand this if M & N was trying to replicate an extremely early jersey that they had to rely on photos for, however, do you really think it's that tough to perfectly copy a Giants or Phillies knit from 1979?

This is really surprising for M&N... I kind of expected the Majestics to be off -- they are supposed to, as they are not licensed by MLB to produce an exact replica... but Mitchell and Ness are!! It's almost as if they copied off of the Majestic knock-off and not the original. I have seen examples of where M&N would get a jersey wrong -- possibly leave out some small detail, get a color slightly off, get a year/date wrong, etc... but to botch up an entire team logo? I have not seen such a large error before. The Jack Clark 1982 black alternate is "on sale" at the M&N website for over $300. Shocking. Might as well buy the Majestic for $79...

[suave1477]

I have to play devils advocate here!!!

Has anyone seen in person the actual Mitchell and Ness Giants Jersey?

Because from what it seems your all judging by a Generic photo, which I do understand is supposed to show the actual product but it is still a generic photo.
I have purchased a Jersey from Mitchell and Ness and in the photo it seemed a little off but when I actually got it, it was correct.

Here is a picture of a Vintage inspired 2006 warm up Jacket they made see how it has the correct "Giants Logo" slanted

[lon lewis]

I couldn't resist putting my opinion of the mitchell & ness giants jerseys on this thread. they are not even close to the actual jerseys. Howard is right on in his post on this subject.If anyone thinks that they do a good job on the Giants jerseys then you deserve to get sucked into paying $250-$300 for this "junk".

[suave1477]

LonLewis you said Mitchell & Ness is not even close, that there stuff is Junk. How do you feel it is not even close? What was it on a Jersey that made you feel that way?

[TNTtoys]

On the logo disparity -- I have seen the 1977-1982 Giants jerseys before, and they are the same as the generic photo on the M&N website, not like the game used jersey I posted the photo of. This logo seriously is not close to the real thing -- and why I thought from a very early stage that there 2 distinct logos used in this time period.

I wouldn't buy this particular jersey from M&N, but I have bought quite a few others (ironically, I am wearing one right now). I do agree with the previous statement that they are hit or miss. Thankfully for me, they are more "hit".

Particularly, I LOVE the 1985 Mets St. Patrick's Day jersey (Strawberry/18). This is a GREAT jersey. I also speak very highly about the 1977 blue Twins Rod Carew jersey. This one too is outstanding. There are quite a few others in my collection that I will rave on about.

I cannot however say the same about my 1980 Nolan Ryan Astros Rainbow home -- it's made from a material so hard and stiff, it's like wearing a sheet of cardboard. Needless to say, it's hung in my closet ever since it arrived. I am also not particularly pleased with a couple of 80s Mets jerseys -- the 1988 BP is flimsier than my Rawlings retail authentic of the same style (despite being double the price) -- the 1983 blue alternate is disappointing too -- the colors are wrong (M&N used the batting practice color scheme of orange/white/orange and not the alternate color scheme of orange/blue/orange) and the sleeve openings are big enough to fit about 3 arms a piece...hardly what the originals looked like.

Others, I am indifferent about -- such as my 1983 style blue Strawberry BP jersey (mislabeled as 1984, when the style no longer existed). Some mistakes are fairly easily overlooked... but going back to the original point of this discussion -- to make a team logo of completely different script lettering on what is being sold as an "authentic/true to every detail" jersey is just poor.

[lon lewis]

TNT
I didn't address your question regarding the Giants logos (sorry) actually none of the photos posted are correct. the M&N, Majestic and the Alpha (the one on the hanger) are not correct representations of the Wilson mfr logos. on the wilson jerseys of 1977 and some of the '78's the logo is slightly thinner and more spread out compared to the '79's and later. for 77-78 the numbers on front and back are wilson full block and measure approx (the black portion) 3 1/2" tall for the front and 6 7/8" tall on the back number. the 77's had plain block letters on a plate for the nob that were similar to the 73-76 jerseys.the 77 roads were orange and carried the letters san francisco on the front in a "fancy block" or "tiffany" style.the nob and numbers were the same as the home versions. in 78 the front logo switched to a slightly thicker version of the script giants and was slightly more condensed. the nob changed to a vertical arc style. the numbers front and back remained the same. also they dropped the san francisco on the front of the orange jerseys and went with the same giants script on the front and added a black jersey as another alternate. in 1979 the numbers changed in size to aprox 3 3/4" for the front and 7 3/4" for the back (black portion measurement) this type of script, numbering and lettering remained unchanged thru 1982 the last year of use of this particular style jersey. during 1980-81 the giants used on a limited basis a black mesh jersey mfr by alpha for road b.p. and a few road games they featured a similar to wilson giants script and numbers. the nob was lettered with 3" plain block letters that were either sewn directly to the jersey or was on a plate of matching mesh material.

[TNTtoys]

I have to play devils advocate here!!!

Here is a picture of a Vintage inspired 2006 warm up Jacket they made see how it has the correct "Giants Logo" slanted

Hey devil's advocate... this may be slanted better, but it's still wrong. The lettering is not accurate when compared to the Frank Robinson BP below. Check out the "t" -- I think it's the most different to the original out of any of the letters in the logo.

[suave1477]

Tnt ok well as far as the actual letters that I didn't look for. I was just regarding the Slant since thats what was pointed out. But I do see what you mean.