Historic Auctions-lampson+retun Policy=no Thanks!

[hblakewolf]

Forum Readers-

After just taking a look at the simply AMAZING Nolan Ryan Rangers pre-game that is currently listed on the Historic site, I noticed their return policy is as folows:
All sales are final. No returns will be accepted once the Auction is over.

Who in the world would bid on ANY item in this auction, based on the fact that Lampson is the "authenticator" (strictly by title) on the majority of items and now, all sales are final?

Other auction houses have noted this same policy, however, Mike Heffner from Lelands noted on here recently that he will honor returns (if an item is proven to be bad) for up to 3 years, and other items with a MEARS LOA offer a money back guarantee.

Regardless if Historic had Mike Schmidt's rookie jersey, and based on the above,there is not a chance in hell that I would bid.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[hblakewolf]

The following is posted on the Historic site, "If you do not feel comfortable with an item or its authenticity, please feel free to contact Historic Auctions, LLC for further information regarding the item. If you are still not satisfied, please do not bid on the item. Please remember, the authentication process is an option and not a fact."

This "theory" has been discussed here before, however, who actually believes this nonsense? We've seen Yankees jerseys matched to photos using the NY logo and/or number placement against the pinstripes, bats with specific marks matched to photos, etc.

When in doubt, shout "It's not a fact" and toss it over to Sweet Lou to write his LOA.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[mvandor]

What auction houses have shown some reasonable effort to authenticate?

[hblakewolf]

Lelands.

They have Mike Heffner and Keith Vari for equipment. Likewise, when items have been questioned, they have indicated a willingness to investigate and either remove it if it's a problem, or support their findings and keep it listed.

Also, Mike Heffner recently indicated that Lelands will accept a return for up to 3 years, if proven to have a legit problem.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[mvandor]

Lelands.

They have Mike Heffner and Keith Vari for equipment. Likewise, when items have been questioned, they have indicated a willingness to investigate and either remove it if it's a problem, or support their findings and keep it listed.

Also, Mike Heffner recently indicated that Lelands will accept a return for up to 3 years, if proven to have a legit problem.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Just scanned their auction, they don't seem to give much detail as to provenance or even make an effort to show an LOA on many items...

[Frank]

Howard,

Why do you not pick on Mastro for having the same policy?

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?A...s%20%26%20FAQs

[Frank]

or American Memorabilia?

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/auction_rules.asp

[Frank]

or Lelands?

http://www.lelands.com/webRules.aspx

[Frank]

Clearly many other auciton houses have a "All sales are final. No Returns" policy and many of those use Lampson.

It's interesting to see the clear bias of some of the members here....

[hblakewolf]

Clearly many other auciton houses have a "All sales are final. No Returns" policy and many of those use Lampson.

It's interesting to see the clear bias of some of the members here....

Frank-
Did you actually read the original question before going off into left field?

Let me post the question:
What auction houses have shown some reasonable effort to authenticate?

Please re-read my response.

Lelands does not use Lampson, rather, they conduct their own research and they do their own homework "internally". Mike Heffner has also made a great effort to address the Forum's concerns in the past, and also added that Lelands will honor a 3 year return policy if an item is found to have a problem. Frank, I'm sure even you can agree that this is a "reasonable effort", correct?

I encourage your thoughts on the original question, however,If you desire to discuss other issues, please start your own thread

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net