ebay seller lambeauleeper and "game issued"

[b.heagy]

I'm no expert in Jerseys. I found these photo's of Favre from 02. Note the reebok symbol on the shoulders, closer to the stripes than on the one in the auction. Seems to be in the same place on all of the photo's from home and away games that I researched from 02. added one with Favre in celebration with jersey untucked. You guys decide.

[EndzoneSports]

Eric:

Please contact me privately via e-mail at EndzoneSports@msn.com. I've lost your e-mail address and may have an offer for you that you can't refuse.

Best regards,

[aeneas01]

lambeauleeper is a crook.

no honest mistakes, no accidental overexaggetions, no unintentional misrepresentations here. this guy selects easily replicated items (vsr4 helmets for example) and lists them, represents them, as items once belonging to the player. marino, favre, vick, brees and elway helmets seem to be his favorite imitations and have sold for as much as $1,200.

btw, nice forum - one of your members told me about this community and i'm glad i found it!

[mvandor]

lambeauleeper is a crook.

no honest mistakes, no accidental overexaggetions, no unintentional misrepresentations here. this guy selects easily replicated items (vsr4 helmets for example) and lists them, represents them, as items once belonging to the player. marino, favre, vick, brees and elway helmets seem to be his favorite imitations and have sold for as much as $1,200.

btw, nice forum - one of your members told me about this community and i'm glad i found it!

I challenged people here to review his helmets and identify a flaw, no one did, but several are jumping up to call the guy a 'crook'.

As I indicated, I purchased an LT "game issue" throwback helmet from him a year ago after exhaustive photo comparisons. After receipt I again dug into photo comparisons. Could not find one flaw. Further, I've monitored a slew of LT "game issued" or copied helmets on ebay in that year and found easily identifiable flaws on EVERY one.

Does that prove it's legit? Nope. But if it's a copy, it's perfect in every way I've been able to examine and in ways all others have failed to replicate.

BTW, virtually none of his last batch of helmets reached reserve and sold, nor are any of his jerseys. You don't usually reserve fraudulent items or at least ones you KNOW are fraudulent. You also don't usually do such low volume.

Now, if anyone versed on jerseys would care to poke holes in his current listings, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlambeauleeperQQhtZ-1

[Eric]

It is deceptive to use the term "game issued" and then when asked about it say he has no idea about the history of the helmet.

That is a fraudulent description. You should mention something is issued or used when you know it to be so. Otherwise you are making claims you don't know to be true, which leads the buyer into thinking it's something that it is not.

Any chance you can post photos, front, back and inside of your LT helmet? I'm sure it's a perfect reproduction. I'd love to see it.

Eric

[gwh11]

This seller is currently offering a "VERY RARE Brett Favre 2002 "GAME ISSUED USED" jersey". In the description he states "All features are proper and consistant to Brett Favre Game Jerseys from the 2002 season". This is incorrect. Not only is the jersey not custom hemmed as he wore them for all of that season, it is the wrong size. If the seller is indeed familiar with other Favre jerseys from 2002, he certainly would've noticed that Favre wears a size 52.
Guy

[Dolphin13]

I looked at recent auctions from Grey Flannel and the Favre jersey LAMBEAU listed is coorct in size and cut.

[aeneas01]

You don't usually reserve fraudulent items or at least ones you KNOW are fraudulent. You also don't usually do such low volume.

you're kidding, right?

frankly, i find your defense of this "seller" puzzling at best and suspicious at worse. any single ebay source who claims to own and have for sale multiple "game issued" favre helmets, vick helmets, tomlinson helmets, elway helmets, marino helmets and brees helmets (to name a few) yet has no documentation nor can provide any sort of procurement history is, in my book, a crook.

here's something you might want to try - pick up the phone and give bob wick a call; he's the bolts' equipment manager and he's also a big memorabilia collector (not only are nfl equipment managers the easiest guys in an nfl organization to reach, but they are also about the nicest guys you would ever want to chat with and are always very generous with their time). anyway, give bob a call and tell him you came across a "game issued" tomlinson helmet on ebay; that you found a guy on ebay that not only has "game issued" tomlinson helmets for sale, but also has multiple copies of many present and future hall of famer "game issued" helmets as well. ask him if he thinks they are authentic.

here's a "game issued" tomlinson helmet that some poor soul purchased from lambeauleeper in march of 2006 for about $500 inclusive of s&h...

[aeneas01]

oops, i accidentally hit the "post" button before i was done and, alas, no edit feature on this board...

anyway, to continue:

another photo of lambeauleeper's "game issued" tomlinson helmet:



note:

a) it's a schutt pro-air, not a schutt air-advantage
b) the facemask
c) the chargers' decal on the back

tomlinson switched from the schutt pro-air to the more modern schutt air-advantage in 2005 so, consequently, lambeauleeper's helmet would have to have been from the 2004 season or earlier which is when tomlinson used a pro-air.

from 2001 (when tomlinson joined the bolts) through 2004 the chargers played only three games in which they wore white helmets - one game in 2002 (vs jets), one game in 2003 (vs ravens) and one game in 2004 (vs jags). so, assuming tomlinson was "issued" a backup for each of these games (which is ridiculous), there would be exactly 6 white tomlinson pro-air helmets in existence - 3 game worn and 3 "game issued". and lambeauleeper has/had at least two, hmmm....

here are a couple of 2005 photos of tomlinson and his schutt air-advantage helmet (notice the "slot" behind the ear hole).




and here are a couple of '06 photos with tomlinson and his schutt air-advantage - so, clearly, after the 2004 season tomlinson wasn't sporting the style of helmet lambeauleeper is peddling as "game issued".




so the only games in which tomlinson wore a white scutt pro-air: 2002 vs jets, 2003 vs ravens and 2004 vs jags. could lambeauleeper's gem actually be from one of these seasons? one of these three games? let's see....

here are a couple of photos of tomlinson wearing the white lid in 2002 vs the jets. so where's the rear charger decal that lamby shows on his helmet? and what about that facemask? guess 2002 is out...




so let's look at the one game tomlinson wore a white helmet in 2003 (vs the ravens). hmmm.... is that a chargers decal i see above the facemask? and then there's that facemask thing again. looks like 2003 is out as well as far as match goes...




so that leaves 2004, our last hope for the exact match one of the forum members was talking about. here are a couple of shots of tomlinson running the ball against the jags - the last time he wore a white schutt pro-air. doh! there's that mask thingy again! and, i'll try to post it later, there's no chargers decal on the back of the helmet - what a surprise!




as i mentioned before, lamby is a crook. he purchases readily available decals and slaps them on readily available shells; he invests $100-$200 clams and fetches $500 or more because he intentionally misrepresents his stuff. does he put together a nice lid? are they pretty to look at? you bet. but they are fakes. andsadly, lamby is not alone...

[mvandor]

Re: the LT helmet, I believe those photos are of mine, the one I purchased from lambeau in 2006.

First, I'm unaware of any second LT helmet offered by lambeau, and can see no such reference to a second in reviewing his feedback history. Perhaps aeneas01 who obviously has good knowledge on LT and his helmet history could clarify this comment?

Secondly, my photo comparisons indicated the helmet - if genuine - was likely a 2004 model rather than the 2005 lambeau advertised it as. aeneas01, you seem to feel that's the closest reference as well, but dismiss it because of the facemask and rear decal.

Perhaps I lack an eye for detail, but how is the facemask different? It certainly appears the same to me. Regarding the rear bumper decal, I can find no photos from the 2004 Chargers-Jags game on either Corbis or Gettyone that show LT's rear bumper in that game, however, the below pic of Ben Leber from that game does show the exact same rear bumper decal on his helmet. Do you have some photographic evidence that LT's helmet was different and lacked that decal?

BTW, I'm curious as to how you would know what I paid for the helmet as you can't view that old a listing on ebay, and where you got those pics which are no longer on ebay. You'd have had to have been developing a database of such items and have saved this info in 2006. Perhaps you can shed some light on how and why you have this info?



BTW, I actually attempted to email the Chargers Equipment Manager last year to see if he'd be willing to look at the helmet and give an opinion, and I never received a reply. Perhaps a phone call might have produced better results, I don't know. Or perhaps aeneas, you have connections with Wick and can help arrange an inspection?

Perhaps I've been defensive because I want to believe the helmet is in fact legit. That would be natural. However, I really would prefer to know the truth, I either overpaid for a great copy by a few hundred, or got a steal on a legit one. I can live with either result.