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Thread: Amateurish Photo Matching
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12-14-2011, 01:35 PM #11
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Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
Yes but a photo was found (not by Mears) of the 1974 warmup jersey and it didn't match. See this thread:
www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=38999
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12-14-2011, 02:34 PM #12
Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
Otismalibu,
No, tags are just one element. Tags can be replaced/added/removed. I don't know what type of stitches are used to sew on the tag and I don't have access to dozens of jerseys to compare it to.
In some cases, I imagine, there are tags that would be used for only one year that could be helpful to authenticate an item for a particular year. For example. there are Yankee hats with the same logo since back in the days with tags used only for a specific year. The photo of the player wearing the hat gives no clue as to what year but the tag does.
Of course, if there is a photo use it. In this case there is no photo so they did the next best thing to explain their findings.
I cannot open the link. If a photo was found and didn't match, MEARS cannot deduce that it came from that year.Regards,
Joel S.
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12-14-2011, 02:55 PM #13
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Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
Not sure whats wrong with the link feature in the forum then. See if this works. Otherwise, its a simple copy and paste into the address bar of the link text I posted before.
showthread.php?t=38999
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12-14-2011, 03:08 PM #14
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Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
I'll repost my post from another discussion thread discussing Troy's comments. You can take cheap shots at him all you want, but as he told me on the phone, he talked to the guy for 45 minutes and that quote was half a sentence. I'm pretty sure posts like the one you made above will not be swayed by Troy's response to the discussion(s) as if you don't appreciate the time and work MEARS spends authenticating items then you'll never appreciate anything positive about them, but for those who wish to read a reply right from the founder of MEARS, here you go:
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As I assumed earlier, Troy was taken out of context.
Troy Kinunen of MEARS just emailed me the following:
From my notes on the interview,
“MEARS does not photo match, we use the process of imagery analysis. This includes using the process of mensuration, a concept introduced by retired LTC Dave Grob. With photo matching, you must have an understanding of tagging, sizing, style, lettering, numbering, wear, source/provenance, and imagery analysis. To just take a jersey and match it against a photo is an amateurish way of authenticating. Because without studying the rest of the facts, fraud can be introduced.
There are many collectors out there that truly study their hobby and educate themselves, and do not need the use of authenticators. Actually, if you look back at the 600+ published articles, MEARS has been an industry leader of educating collectors on how to make informed purchase decisions.
MEARS does not just take an item and state is authentic, we try to show you the process of how we came to our conclusion.”
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12-14-2011, 03:32 PM #15
Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
With photo matching, you must have an understanding of tagging, sizing, style, lettering, numbering, wear, source/provenance, and imagery analysis.
To just take a jersey and match it against a photo is an amateurish way of authenticating. Because without studying the rest of the facts, fraud can be introduced.Greg
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12-14-2011, 03:37 PM #16
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Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
You are correct and we all know you are a memorabilia god. No one doubts that Greg. The problem is too many people take an item with a letter and don't photo-match it. Why should they? They have a letter!
Now anyone who reads this forum knows a letter is often not worth the paper it is printed on, even though some letters are useful and helpful.
In fact, MEARS often gives Getty Image numbers with their letters to show style matches for an item.
Just clever how you quoted a couple of lines from Troy's response like the reported did. Very clever.
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12-14-2011, 03:52 PM #17
Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
In fact, MEARS often gives Getty Image numbers with their letters to show style matches for an item.Greg
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12-14-2011, 04:13 PM #18
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12-15-2011, 03:10 AM #19
Re: Amateurish Photo Matching
Greg,
After seeing their inaction, please promise me you will keep that type of nugget to yourself next time or at least share it with another Dr. J collector who might not otherwise afford "the steal" or with someone like your buddy Joel A. who can front the money and split the profits with you when you both flip it.
This is just another of many examples where a players cannot identify his own jersey correctly.
I have always been impressed with your passion for the player you collect, Julius Erving. You photo library of Dr. J is second to none and made watching the auction of Dr. J's personal collection very interesting.
Regards,
JoelRegards,
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12-15-2011, 03:22 AM #20
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