Deadbeat Collectors

[godwulf]

Mark....

Most of the regular posters to this board are not Sellers, so it would not be reasonable for them to share your exact perspective, however much they might sympathyze with it.

I, for one, don't believe that pointing out, as several have, that pretty much the exact complaint frequently exists with regard to Sellers as you have about Buyers is at all wildly off-topic or irrelevant. It's just the other side of the same coin (or jersey).

Both Seller and Buyer should be open, honest and prompt in communication, and do exactly what they promise. If someone falls down in one of those areas, it really doesn't matter which side of the transaction they're occupying - does it?

Jeff

[rufusandherschel]

Mark....

Most of the regular posters to this board are not Sellers, so it would not be reasonable for them to share your exact perspective, however much they might sympathyze with it.

I, for one, don't believe that pointing out, as several have, that pretty much the exact complaint frequently exists with regard to Sellers as you have about Buyers is at all wildly off-topic or irrelevant. It's just the other side of the same coin (or jersey).

Both Seller and Buyer should be open, honest and prompt in communication, and do exactly what they promise. If someone falls down in one of those areas, it really doesn't matter which side of the transaction they're occupying - does it?

Jeff

Well put!

[b.heagy]

nothing frustrates me more when another dealer leaves you hanging and never comes through. especially when you made many sympathy purchases in the past to HELP THEM raise funds for fresh inventory.

[gwh11]

It should be said that for someone as patient, flexible and courteous as Mark Hayne to have to post this sort of reminder, this potential buyer must really be a nightmare.
-Guy

[Neely8]

I think there are far more inconsiderate time wasting tire kickers than dishonest sellers on this Forum.

[Mulligans]

I think there are far more inconsiderate time wasting tire kickers than dishonest sellers on this Forum.

I could not agree more......I sell and buy a good amount and in my opinion 99% of all my problems come with buyers in this hobby and many are those who I met through the forum. Unfortunately serious buyers are few and far between.

It's not always about price but more about the pain and suffering that they put you through only to leave you nowhere.

If a jersey comes through NFL auctions and is in the psa database as game used and easily photomatched.....why would someone ask you to get them the measurements of the Captains patch......do a 3 Week analysis and then tell you that they are going to pass because they feel that the captains patch color is off slightly?? I'm a firm believer of due diligence, but I think that's crazy!

[jppopma]

I agree with Neely and Mulligans on the tire kickers; or more so the expectations. I don't even sell much at all, but see all of the people needing every little detail (many that make no difference at all).

Neely can understand this better than anyone; it's like in a court case when they want DNA on a case where the person was caught in the act.

From a buyers perspective, I hope that I don 't come across as a tire kicker...I just have bad luck on being offered the same jerseys over and over (usually just another set of the same year). Then teased by other jerseys that I am patiently waiting to buy..hint hint hint.

[G1X]

I am a bit disappointed that this thread continues to get off track. I hear what everyone is saying and agree with just about everything that has been stated. However, my point is not about dealers or "tire kickers" (although I well understand complaints about both). My original post was strictly intended to point out deadbeats who do not pay the bill as promised and then refuse to communicate.

To Neely9, Mulligans, and jppopma,
In your posts about "tire kickers", it appears that at least you are getting a response most of the time. I would be perfectly happy to simply get a response instead of being left hanging out to dry with a "sale pending" tag attached to the item on my price list. (Having to "repost" that item to the price list can often create a whole different set of issues for me and most sellers which is a discussion for another day.)

To Guy,
Thanks for your kind words and completely understanding the intent of this thread.

To Bill Heagy,
Hey, what about a few "sympathy purchases" from me? Seriously, you have always been a pleasure to deal with and communicate with, and it is much appreciated. I think that your comment would make an excellent topic for a separate thread!

To Jeff (godwulf),
I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph. But again, this thread is not about dealers. I am much more of a collector than a dealer and, having been in the game-used hobby since 1974, I would like to think that I am well attuned to not only both sides of the coin, but also all 360 degrees of the reeded edges of that coin. This doesn't make me any smarter or wiser than anyone else, but it certainly has put me into the position of having a whole lot of experiences to reflect upon. There isn't much from both buyers and sellers that I have not seen, and nothing anyone does that is unethical really shocks me anymore.

To brewcrew, frik, and rufusandherschel,
By quickly turning this into a dealer issue, you have all but deflected the heat away from the intended targets. You probably meant well, but in a sense, it was a disservice and a bit disrespectful to hijack this thread and the clear point that I was making about deadbeat collectors. Perhaps you could start a separate thread about dishonest dealers and share your experiences. As stated above, I am much more of a collector than a dealer, so I get it and feel your pain and frustration with dishonest dealers.

I prefer not to get into these sort of negative discussions as I try to stick strictly to informative and educational postings in this Forum, but after getting burned by deadbeats three times in the past month and many other times over the years, I felt overly compelled to post my frustrations.
I started this thread not so much as a debate or discussion topic - and certainly not about dealers - but to point out some facts of life to those collectors (especially ones reading this Forum) who do not give a second thought about making financial promises that they cannot/will not keep, and then go incommunicado.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for World Football League jerseys, NFL/AFL durene jerseys, Atlanta Falcons jerseys, and Willie McGee and Darren Lewis game-used items.