Funny Grey Flannel story-Pippen jersey..

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Rose14 - I do not know why Grey Flannel does not wish to work with members of this forum. I know they have suspended bidding privileges from some members who they feel have attacked their auction house. I know they have insulted and ignored some members who they feel have attacked them.

I stated that if I missed that the original post stated they emailed Grey Flannel, sorry, but I asked if anyone had emailed them as my email was sent the reply I previously posted.

I asked because I thought maybe someone else got an answer from them and the flood gates opened and I have no clue why. I didn't cite any issues, I just wanted to know if anyone else had emailed them.

Then again, right after the first post - There were people attacking Grey Flannel over this issue which we may never know if it was an error, typo whatever and maybe the brass in The Hamptons feels it is none of our business.

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if that is the case, is it possible the Hall of Fame has some dubious pieces on display?

Are you kidding??

I've been to the NBA Hall....it's awesome.


My favorite piece is the 1974 Magic Johnson Lakers jersey....it's just gorgeous.

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Rose14 - I do not know why Grey Flannel does not wish to work with members of this forum. I know they have suspended bidding privileges from some members who they feel have attacked their auction house. I know they have insulted and ignored some members who they feel have attacked them.

Joel,

Let's have a serious, open, honest conversation for just a moment. No hidden agenda's, no questions about if someone emailed whomever, no taking a stand..... let's just stick to what we know.

Grey Flannel is in the auction business of sports memorabilia.

They are a for-profit business.

They are shown to be less than capable in their field of expertise, time and time again, by posting members of this site.

This site is here, and created for the benefit of the collecting community, to better the experience we all have as active members of the hobby.

We protect ourselves and our fellow collectors by sharing information that new and lesser knowledgeable collectors may otherwise not have the means to learn.....this is a valuable venue.

So with all of these facts in mind, why would Grey Flanel have a problem with guys who have grown tired of the same old carelessness on their part, listing items absolutely incorect in facts, selling items with visual proof posted here that CAN'T be real, others claiming to be something they are not, again, backed up by discussions on this site?......I could go on and on.

It has reached the point where some of us have passed the questioning-the-listings point, passed the how-could-they-have-missed-that point, passed the point of giving them any benefit of doubt.

We, Joel, realize they just don't give a hoot about the collector, or removing them from their hard earned cash. We understand that they are just trying to make money, and as an ongoing business concern in a FOR-profit business, we are now past the ANGRY point of watching them practice their unprofessional unskilled business of listing questionable items proven to be other than what they are represented as, and therefore we mention it here.

And that upsets them? Golly Wally....

How in the world, as an adult, as a sophisticated collector, can you dare take a moment to even begin to argue with the members here on this matter?

We demand they do a better job in THEIR EXPERTISE in THEIR business. That's all Joel! We expect them to at least have the BASIC understanding of what it is they are selling.

And I will say....IN MY OPINION....that they live and die on their premise of "Authentication is really just a matter of opinion" to the point it has become insulting to some of us who feel there is a little more to it than just an opinion.

I am one (as most of you know) who has had my bidding privilages taken away. I tried to contact Richard Russek himself to straighten things out. I left a message with T.J., personally, on the phone.......yes, I was able to reach them ON the PHONE.

Do you think I ever received a phone call back, Joel? Let me end the suspense.....I did not.

Is that the type of professional organization you want to continue to support Joel? They have no intentions of acting in a professional manner. It's easier for them to sidestep their "errors" (and I'll say that is a nice compromise of words on my part) and say something derrogatory about Chris Cavalier, and the responsible intelligent no-nonsence members of this forum who are doing their part to clean up the hobby.

In fact, what this forum represents, Joel, is a thorn that keeps puncturing the pustual blister that keeps entering our hobby from all directions. We have to stand up for ourselves, Joel. Because the entities that want to seperate us from our money won't. It's been proven right here over and over and over again.

Now, please.....let me know if I have mistated any facts. If so, I'll be the first to retract them.

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The man makes many good points, Joel.

[mvandor]

The man makes many good points, Joel.

Gotta agree. Of course, I'm also one of the suspended ones.

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Someone's silence is deafening.

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Someone's silence is deafening.

Hey - I am on vacation just catching up on the forum now. Sorry I can't log in every minute for you to take a cheap shot at me because if you looked you would have seen I had not logged into the forum since Saturday until right now.

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Joel,

Let's have a serious, open, honest conversation for just a moment. No hidden agenda's, no questions about if someone emailed whomever, no taking a stand..... let's just stick to what we know.

Grey Flannel is in the auction business of sports memorabilia.

They are a for-profit business.

They are shown to be less than capable in their field of expertise, time and time again, by posting members of this site.

This site is here, and created for the benefit of the collecting community, to better the experience we all have as active members of the hobby.

We protect ourselves and our fellow collectors by sharing information that new and lesser knowledgeable collectors may otherwise not have the means to learn.....this is a valuable venue.

So with all of these facts in mind, why would Grey Flanel have a problem with guys who have grown tired of the same old carelessness on their part, listing items absolutely incorect in facts, selling items with visual proof posted here that CAN'T be real, others claiming to be something they are not, again, backed up by discussions on this site?......I could go on and on.

It has reached the point where some of us have passed the questioning-the-listings point, passed the how-could-they-have-missed-that point, passed the point of giving them any benefit of doubt.

We, Joel, realize they just don't give a hoot about the collector, or removing them from their hard earned cash. We understand that they are just trying to make money, and as an ongoing business concern in a FOR-profit business, we are now past the ANGRY point of watching them practice their unprofessional unskilled business of listing questionable items proven to be other than what they are represented as, and therefore we mention it here.

And that upsets them? Golly Wally....

How in the world, as an adult, as a sophisticated collector, can you dare take a moment to even begin to argue with the members here on this matter?

We demand they do a better job in THEIR EXPERTISE in THEIR business. That's all Joel! We expect them to at least have the BASIC understanding of what it is they are selling.

And I will say....IN MY OPINION....that they live and die on their premise of "Authentication is really just a matter of opinion" to the point it has become insulting to some of us who feel there is a little more to it than just an opinion.

I am one (as most of you know) who has had my bidding privilages taken away. I tried to contact Richard Russek himself to straighten things out. I left a message with T.J., personally, on the phone.......yes, I was able to reach them ON the PHONE.

Do you think I ever received a phone call back, Joel? Let me end the suspense.....I did not.

Is that the type of professional organization you want to continue to support Joel? They have no intentions of acting in a professional manner. It's easier for them to sidestep their "errors" (and I'll say that is a nice compromise of words on my part) and say something derrogatory about Chris Cavalier, and the responsible intelligent no-nonsence members of this forum who are doing their part to clean up the hobby.

In fact, what this forum represents, Joel, is a thorn that keeps puncturing the pustual blister that keeps entering our hobby from all directions. We have to stand up for ourselves, Joel. Because the entities that want to seperate us from our money won't. It's been proven right here over and over and over again.

Now, please.....let me know if I have mistated any facts. If so, I'll be the first to retract them.

So, if Grey Flannel takes a stance that they will not communicate with collectors they find to be abusive from this forum, you want me to tell you that you can assume they are intentionally making errors trying to defraud the public?

I believe Grey Flannel, like many other old timers, are old school and they think their poop doesn't smell. It is great findings on here about errors they may or may not have made. Then again, they also feel that many on here are abusive and one sided so they have stopped responding to us as a group. See the last email I received - They don't even want to talk to me about concerns from this forum anymore.

So, what do you want me to say? You think finding a few issues from the last auction that you can say they make a high number of errors? Not every concern by this forum was found to be correct but many were, even if Grey Flannel didn't admit it since the items were missing.

The Scottie Pippen jersey in the original question - No one knows if that was a typing error or what since they ignored all questions about it - I tried to get an answer, I was told since this web site is an auction house and for sale site they are not responding to concerns from it anymore.

Did I like that reply? Of course not. I was hoping to continue to work as a buffer between us and them, but too many people like the guy who thinks I have to read this forum on vacation (St. Louis is very nice) and my not replying means I am ignoring the discussion but I am not.

What makes me sad is I am on the same side of truth, justice and the American way as the members of this forum. I just like to use a human approach and not a no trial, no jury approach to every concern.

Keep up the good work!

[mvandor]

I was told since this web site is an auction house and for sale site they are not responding to concerns from it anymore.

I must say that when GUU opened their auction house doors and became a competitor to the others, I did fear this type of response from some as the forum could be viewed as the arm of a competitor rather than the independent entity it once was.

I sincerely hope other auction houses don't start cold shouldering us like GF as a result (although I bellieve Historic and others already had an attitude even before GUU went auction house).